Many Harley riders do wear helmets
Summing up from Part One of this report, the helmet issue appears to be the primary point of contention between ABATE groups and sportbikers, with some also feeling that ABATE simply doesn't concern itself with issues of concern to the sportbike community. Pursuing that point, I posed new questions to the national Sportbike Network (SBN) forum. (I'll touch back in with the Colorado Sport Bike Club (CSBC) later.
For starters, I asked if someone could point me to anything that supports their claim that ABATE is anti-helmet. "Is it really ABATE itself, or are you perhaps speaking of some particular ABATE members?" I asked.
TwoColorShoe (SBN) pointed me to a flyer posted by the South Suburban Chapter of ABATE of Illinois for its upcoming "Helmet Roast." Yes indeed, that poster shows helmets on weenie sticks being roasted over a fire. Curious, I emailed several officers of the chapter to see what they could tell me about the event. I received a response from Dennis Byron, who is the Activities Co-coordinator for the chapter. Dennis sent something written by another member, David Lynch, which he said is not an official response, just his own. David wrote:
As far as the Helmet Roast goes, this was an idea conceived for a chapter event to raise funds for the chapter and to celebrate the defeat of a mandatory helmet law that came out of nowhere over twenty years ago. The helmets roasting in the fire of the current flyer are an homage to tradition, where the original design was a tongue and cheek image of a biker roasting a helmet on a spit over a campfire.
Two others on the forum mentioned ABATE members who expressed outright anti-helmet opinions, and bimmerx2 (SBN) had this to say:
I don't think one can separate the 'organization' from the people who make up that organization. ABATE itself is nothing more than a name for the group of people. If the majority of those people have an opinion then by definition the organization has that same opinion.
While I'm sure ABATE's official stance is anti-helmet LAW the membership simply does not behave that way - they are anti-HELMET. Wear full gear to a Harley dealership on a weekend and there is VERY good chance that you be asked if you think you're an astronaut, if you're planning to crash, etc. There is virtually no chance that someone will ask if you support helmet LAWS. I have first hand experience with that and so do a lot of riders I know.
I also did a search on my own, visiting the websites of about 40 ABATEs across the country. I found that opposition to helmet laws is universal, but my admittedly limited search found very little that could be characterized as being anti-helmet. ABATE of Virginia did have one page where it stated that, in crashes, helmets "can also snap necks and cause basal skull fracture. NASCAR now requires helmet restraining devices to prevent those usually fatal, helmet-caused injuries."
Because the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) also opposes helmet laws I asked why the sportbikers' attitudes were different toward the AMA than toward ABATE, if indeed they are.
The AMA is fine. I haven't ever seen any info on AMA organizers not encouraging the use of helmets. -- TwoColorShoe (SBN)
I have to say I do not agree with the AMA either. If ABATE was serious about helmets then they would actively promote them, you do not see them doing so. I think the AMA does. -- modette (SBN)
Leaving the subject of helmets, I asked about loud pipes and stunting: "Many people believe the idea that 'loud pipes save lives' is total BS. This seems to be a sportbiker criticism of the Harley crowd. The Harley crowd, on the other hand, takes a dig at the sportbike crowd saying that stunting and doing wheelies down the highway or through the middle of town is giving all bikers a bad name." Could they please comment? I also asked about motorcycle fatalities among unlicensed--and presumably untrained--riders. "Most eyes turn to the sportbike community when this figure is mentioned," I noted.
I doubt many people on this site will defend the squids....they get treated harsher than anyone! Those people being the unlicensed, uninsured, no gear, stunting on public roads guys. -- SamIAm 1021 (SBN)
Around these parts you will get ragged on for posting vids/pics of any of these behaviours. They do make us all look bad (Both groups, and both sets of behaviour). So is one side right and one wrong? Well let's just say that both sides hate squids and one side supports loud pipes. -- bimmerx2 (SBN)
You think the finger is pointed at sport riders because you are not one. I think both sides have their people that think they don't need a license. Sporties because they are chicken of failing, and cruiser guys because they have been riding for 20 years this way and F you they aren't changing for some bureaucrat. I don't believe that anyone other than the deceased riders can speak to their lack of skills when they died. -- qubert (SBN)
These are all stereotypes though, and most informed sport bike/cruiser/standard/touring riders don't do these things. There have been a number of studies that go in depth about motorcycle fatalities, licensing, bike type, etc. I'm sure that sport bike riders have less proper licensing than others, but I also know that sport bikes are marketed towards a younger age group. This isn't about sport bike riders not getting proper licensing, it's about young riders not getting proper licensing. -- TwoColorShoe (SBN)
Despite the mostly negative arguments made against ABATE on the SBN forum, there were a few that were more positive.
ABATE has a poor reputation among sportbikers, mostly because it’s mostly Harley guys who don’t much welcome sportbikes. I have worked with ABATE people on some campaigns, and I think it’s generally a good organization.
I think there are some barriers. ABATE is mostly known for opposing helmet laws, which I think is just fine.
However, many of those in ABATE cannot separate the issue of helmet laws from the issue of helmets. They spout a lot of simply false “information” against helmets, which tends to drive away anyone who holds the true and rational view that helmets do indeed increase your safety.
Likewise (as you’ll see in this thread) many sportbikers ALSO cannot separate the issue of helmet laws from the issue of helmets. They believe that because helmets are a good idea, that it must follow that helmet laws are a good idea. -- PhilB (SBN)
My experiences with ABATE have been that they tend to work well with legislators at the local level, on local issues. Leaving aside for a moment the ubiquitous helmet law debate, I've seen ABATE do very good things on behalf of motorcyclists in Maryland. -- Scratch33 (SBN)
In Part Three we'll consider whether there might be common ground between the two groups.
Sportbikers and ABATE
Can the twain meet?
Helmet issue is primary dividing point
Is there common ground?
ABATE actions that may sway sportbikers
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Comments
Great analysis. The misconceptions run strong. While I cannot speak on behalf of other ABATE groups, I will speak on behalf of my group. ABATE of Colorado believes in wearing the proper gear, we teach it in our classes, so you can't say we don't encourage proper riding gear. Do we have some old school members that will argue the use of helmets and do we have members that think Sportbike riders are just awful? Yes we do. You can't classify a group by what SOME of their members say. The people that work hard in this organization, are open minded people and want to learn. Every group is going to have members that view things differently, or shall I say maybe not as informed as they should be? I see the comment that ABATE doesn't look at the needs of Sportbikers, that's because we don't know what they want or need. ABATE is not a Harley group,I don't ride a Harley and I never have. Maybe if ABATE had some Sporties join up and work with us, we might know what their needs are,come teach us!
To Terry:
Honestly, it sounds like you have a very good organization in Colorado. If I were ever down there, then I would definitely join. Sadly, here in Oklahoma, the group of people mostly consist of the "uninformed."
Of course, I think that the hotter the climate you live in, the more irrational the ABATE group can become. Cognitive Dissonance is pretty strong when it's 100+ degrees outside.
I agree with 2colorshoe. If I heard my local ABATE say what Terry just said, I would be intrigued. I would like to see more consistency out of the group as a whole though.
Helmet Roast response, from David Lynch:
As far as the Helmet Roast goes, this was idea conceived for a chapter event to raise funds for the chapter and to celebrate the defeat of a mandatory helmet law that came out of nowhere over twenty years ago. The helmets roasting in the fire of the current flyer are a homage to tradition, where the original design was a tongue and cheek image of a biker roasting a helmet on a spit over a campfire.
The stereotyping of a cruiser rider and a sport bike rider are both an overgeneralization on both sides. Not all Harley riders like straight pipes, just as all sport bike riders do not do 80 mph wheelies between cars on the expressway. An idiot is an idiot no matter what they are on, or in, for that matter. But both sides need to work together to keep our sport a legal and fun endeavor. Seeing that our motorcycles are important to us, no matter the type or rider, the issues that we are facing at an incincreasing level effect all of us.
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