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An aspect of self defense in one's home that isn't discussed much is revenge. Robert Wallace of Wheat Ridge, Colorado had his 15 minutes of fame when he was charged with 4 counts of attempted murder for firing two shots at two criminals stealing his trailer parked in his yard. Eventually the courts decided not to send an 82 year old man off to the Big House for the rest of his life. They decided that probation would be enough, but took all his guns away from him. Society is safe and justice is served.

Now, his RV has been purposely burned by someone. It appears someone climbed the ladder, poured gas or some combustible into the roof vent and tossed a match. He believes it is revenge and that is a pretty good guess since the police have said the thieves he shot at belonged to a car theft ring. When we defend our home, any surviving bad guys are pretty upset. We have increased the risk of their chosen profession. Clearly we must be punished. The survivors or their confederates know exactly where you live, and after the news coverage of the shooting is done, they know lots about the person who defended his home. This is bad, but not as bad as doing nothing when your home is invaded. In the case of Mr. Wallace, he has angered someone willing to do violence to property and perhaps more. The government has disarmed him to protect society. Who protects Mr. Wallace?

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  • David III 3 years ago

    What? You mean the Police were not their to protect him and his property? I think he should sue them for failure to perform their duties in as much as they left him unable to defend himself. Seriously if.... they want to disarm people then they ought to provide 24 hour guards for EVERYONE! I think three police escorts for each citizen ought to do it.... can you smell the sarcasm?

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    jrp1947 3 years ago

    I think you said it all and there isn't much more to say except that I would think that everyone involved in his conviction would have the moral honesty to chip in and repay him for the loss that should have never happened in the first place if they left him with his guns to defend himself since it is obvious the cops could not.

  • JohnF(Boulder Co) 3 years ago

    They use the precedent of "Deshaney" to protect themselves from being liable (The establishing case where they said their duty to protect depends on the degree to which they've prevented you from protecting yourself, as in incarcerated or literally restrained people.)

    I have yet to hear about anybody using this in a case where they've actively disarmed you, without actually having you in custody.

  • Lucretia 3 years ago

    He should protect his own property - with a crossbow, or a club, or an illegally obtained gun (Illegal for him to obtain, being a felon and all).

    Of course, at 82, it is not likely that he is up to the physical extremes that his attackers are.

    Just because the law says you can't, doesn't mean you really can't.

    Hell, If I was him, I would get the neighborhood geek to set up an alarm system (a tremble switch, or even a mouse trap across two bare wires) to alert when the next batch of thugs is in range, buy night vision goggles, and poison darts, and take them out with a blowgun and a spear.

    These things are difficult to come by, not being found on the shelves of the local hardware store, but might be easier to get than you think. A bit of research, a walk through a garden, and some quick chemistry, ... who knows what you could come up with.

  • tramp 3 years ago

    Kinda gives you a view of the future they intend for us doesn't it? Oh wait a minute! It's already here.

  • Uh, Excuse me but... 3 years ago

    Colorado Constitution Article II, Section 13
    The right of no person to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall be called in question; but nothing herein contained shall be construed to justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons.

    Q. 1. Isn't Article II, Section 13 a law written into a legally binding contract between government and the governed, declaring the keeping and bearing of arms to be a ‘Right’ for ( at least ) the purposes as specified---defense of home, person and property, and, that said ’Right’ is one that, shall not be called into question?

    Q 2. Who initiated the circumstances from which all subsequent events occurred?

    Q 3. What part of the Constitutionally-specified law written into this Constitutional Contract wasn’t clearly and undeniably violated by government officials who charged Robert Wallace with ‘crimes’ for defending his property?

    Understand this:
    Principles and laws do actually matter…
    MOST ESPECIALLY those laws written into Constitutional Contracts which declare and enumerate, specific ’Rights’---the most fundamental purpose being to serve as expressed limitations on those powers afforded to government by consent of the governed.

    For those willing to subject themselves to a few more sordid details, some additional info available @
    http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/25145698/detail.html
    http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/24231446/detail.html

    ( nothing really matters, and what if it did? )

  • Anonymous 3 years ago

    Certain aspects of “self-defense” are revenge. This old man didn't have to try and murder the people steal a possession. If they were trying to steal a life, as in, robbing him by gun point, he could then be allowed to defend himself. What's next, an old man shoots at some kids for walking on his lawn as an attempt to defend his property? I think his real attitude was something like, "how dare they try and steal something of mine". Instead of calling the police like regular human being in our society, he tried to take matters into his own hands in an attempt at revenge. Burn baby burn!

  • Anonymous 3 years ago

    Certain aspects of “self-defense” are revenge. This old man didn't have to try and murder the people steal a possession. If they were trying to steal a life, as in, robbing him by gun point, he could then be allowed to defend himself. What's next, an old man shoots at some kids for walking on his lawn as an attempt to defend his property? I think his real attitude was something like, "how dare they try and steal something of mine". Instead of calling the police like regular human being in our society, he tried to take matters into his own hands in an attempt at revenge. Burn baby burn!

  • Anon 3 years ago

    I'm not saying it's okay to shoot someone who's just crossing your lawn. However, if we let criminals abuse the system like they have been, then the only ones hurt by absurd laws are those who obey them. Perhaps other societies are right in punishing thieves, especially ones that are out to inflict violence on their victims. Give a criminal an inch and they will take everything you own and carry it off in a mile.

  • Anonymous 3 years ago

    Followed this in the local news and on Peter Boyles talk radio. 630AM radio. They tried to run him over. They were illegal aliens. They got away with it. Wheatridge DA doesn't prosecute illegals. Simple as that.

  • Uzziel 2 years ago

    This is why you go for kill shots.

    -Uzziel-
    III

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