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Questions for the Zeitgeist Movement: Transition

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This is part of a series describing questions I have for the supporters of the Venus Project that were raised in the discussion following my review of Zeitgeist: Moving Forward.

In the film it is imagined that an identical Earth is discovered where human life never occurred. Well... there isn’t an identical Earth, so the transition is really important part of the puzzle, especially if you want to satisfy the concerns of those familiar with the tragic consequences of every historical attempt to abolish private property.

Peter Joseph imagines a massive revolution where everyone throws their money on the steps of the banking institutions, and the hidden masters in their smokey rooms realize the jig is up... and he skips straight to some bright future where children sit in a high tech history class. Well... that’s not good enough.

Jacque Fresco has a more detailed plan in the Venus Project FAQ.

Phase One (Research)
Step one for the Venus Project is already complete. Jacque Fresco and Roxanne Meadows own and operate a 22-acre research center in Venus Florida. I haven’t been able to figure out what research is actually conducted there. It seems like Fresco spends his time drawing, and building futuristic train sets. Maybe one of you knows that goes on there. It doesn’t seem like a very efficient use of resources to me.

Phase Two (Make a Movie)
Step two is “a full-length feature film depicting how a world embracing the proposals advanced by The Venus Project would work.” Is this Zeitgeist: Moving Forward, or does he intend to produce some kind of sci-fi drama? It seems like you’ve already done the best you can with movies.

Zeitgeist: Moving Forward was released on January 15 with over 340 screenings. The web release was on January 25, 2011 and it’s already got over 2 million views, and the channel itself has 5.7 million views.

It’s hard to calculate an exact comparison, but I’d say your movie has already reached more people than Michael Moore’s Capitalism: A Love Story. Moore’s film was released October 2, 2009 and grossed $14.4 million. If you use the 2009 average ticket price from the National Association of Theater Owners that’s 1.9 million views.

So, you’ve blown him out of the water. Here’s this documentary from a popular, well-known social activist, criticising the same system your criticising, targeting the same audience you’re targeting, and in a week more people have seen your Internet release than his entire theater release.

So you’ve got your movie... unless of course it’s that cool $14.4 million your after. Phase Two is complete except for one thing. Fresco writes, “The film would debunk the belief of a technical elite or any other advantage group controlling the system.“ I don’t think you’ve done that yet.

Phase Three (Test)
Step three is to test his designs and proposals. It’s funny to me that this isn’t step one. I don’t know many scientists who produce feature films about their theories before they test them, but Fresco apparently doesn’t want to actually test his economic model until an entire experimental city can be constructed. Donations are of course welcome.

Fresco writes, “The first experimental city or planning center will conduct a global survey of arable land, production facilities, transportation, technical personnel, population, and all other necessities required for a sustainable culture.” Which of course is impossible, because there happens to be a lot of other people on that land that might not want to participate.

Any competent project manager will tell you that constructing an entire city is inadvisable unless the designs have already been tested on a smaller scale... say 22 acres. He claims he can calculate the carrying capacity of the entire Earth. Why not first calculate the carrying capacity of 22 acres? He claims only 3% of the population will be needed to sustain the rest. Why not demonstrate that by showing us how three people (Peter Joseph, Jacque Fresco and Roxanne Meadows) can support 97 people? He claims a central computer can be programed to efficiently make all economic decisions on the globe. Why not demonstrate that by letting that program make his economic decisions.

People aren’t reluctant to support your project because they fear of progress. It’s because you are making fantastic claims without evidence, and instead testing your claims you insult them for looking to historical examples.

Phase Four (Theme Park)
Next Fresco wants a theme park, “that will entertain and inform visitors about humane and environmentally friendly life styles.” Have you ever heard of any scientist or engineer who tried to generate support for his theories with a theme park? Instead of appealing to educated people, and seeking legitimacy and verification through the scientific community.... it’s movies and amusement parks. It’s like bread and circuses without the bread. If the technology needed for this project already exists, why isn’t investing in that his top priority?

Let’s imagine he somehow accomplishes all this. Once he has the grassroots support... then what?

Power
Fresco writes, “at this stage we are not in a position of power“ and “if enough people find the proposals acceptable and join with us in this new advocacy, we could form the nucleus of an organization to more forcefully implement the aims of The Venus Project.”

Do you see? The Venus Project is in a persuasion phase only until it can grab the levers of power. Fresco’s plan doesn’t start with no government and no currency. He imagines a “transitional government” consisting of “an interdisciplinary team of systems engineers, computer programmers, architects, city planners, sociologists, educators, etc” who will, “layout the most efficient way to manage transportation, agriculture, city planning and production.” He mentions banks and money in the transition. He even admits that many of the high tech promises won’t be readily available at first, and people will have to actually work until they eliminate scarcity. Which, as I showed in the economics section, is not possible. Oops.

This is exactly Communism proposed. A transitional government consisting of panels of experts who have complete decision authority over the economy until the system and the people were perfected and both the currency and the state could be dismantled. Just one problem, the goals are unattainable and the experts never relinquish the reins of power. They just become a new elite, because, as you should already know, Authoritarian Sociopathy is not human nature, it’s environmental.

Further Discussion

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  • Anonymous 3 years ago

    Agreed. It's a fantasy.

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    Diegor 3 years ago

    Phase One (Research)
    Research Center is really a misleading name BUT did you read there website correctly ? Because it clearly stats what they are doing there (which is all they can do given limited resources):

    http://thevenusproject.com/en/the-venus-project-introduction/aims-proposals

    "...to help present the proposals of The Venus Project. Videos, pamphlets, and a recently published book, The Best That Money Can't Buy: Beyond Politics, Poverty, and War, have been created to help raise awareness about this project and its many proposals."

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    Diegor 3 years ago

    Phase Two (Make a Movie):

    ZMF was NOT the movie they intend to make. The movie they want to make (they have given details about it in a few interviews) is a feature "Hollywood" style film which appeals to the masses and is available for everyone via online or theaters. The movie will demonstrate a way of life in a resource based economy in order to raise awareness of the alternative. No it has not been done before; every futuristic movie always puts a negative spin on the use of technology - which is no surprise given the fact that they depict a monetary and/or fascist society.

    Jacque has mentioned a movie scene he envisions the movie to be like. It goes something like this: A child is playing at a park and his balls rolls away and finds its self in the path of a automated construction machine. He chases after it while his mom is looking away and the machine stops right before it is about to crush him and sounds an alert (think backing up trucks) the mother gets her child away from the machine and they live happily ever after.....okay, that ending bit is my touch to the story :)

    For updates on the movie I would keep an eye on this page:

    http://www.thevenusprojectdesign.com/index.php?option=com_content&vi...

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    Diegor 3 years ago

    Phase Three (Test)
    "Step three is to test his designs and proposals. It’s funny to me that this isn’t step one. I don’t know many scientists who produce feature films about their theories before they test them, but Fresco apparently doesn’t want to actually test his economic model until an entire experimental city can be constructed. Donations are of course welcome."<-cheap shot.

    He and others would GLADLY test it if they had the funding which they are still lacking but they are talking to south american gov't who may want to support them.

    "Fresco writes, “The first experimental city or planning center will conduct a global survey of arable land, production facilities, transportation, technical personnel, population, and all other necessities required for a sustainable culture.” Which of course is impossible, because there happens to be a lot of other people on that land that might not want to participate."

    AGAIN, that's the whole point of bringing awareness to the possibility because it will only happen voluntarily if people understand and decide to move in that direction - it will not happen by force as we both agree.

    In order to demonstrate a RBE, you need access to advance tech we have today BUT that requires a chunk of money that investors would NEVER see a profit from lol - specially if the plan is to abolish the monetary system.

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    Diegor 3 years ago

    Phase Four (Theme Park)

    Its for educational purpose in order to spread awareness. If people can see models and even small scale examples in an attractive environment (theme park) then they will be more likely to support it than just reading it on a website.

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    Diegor 3 years ago

    Power:
    "He even admits that many of the high tech promises won’t be readily available at first, and people will have to actually work until they eliminate scarcity. Which, as I showed in the economics section, is not possible. Oops."

    I don't remember you convincing me that what is mentioned above is not possible on the previous articles.
    OF COURSE there will be work, we are transitioning from heavy labor based society. However, I don't see why people wouldn't want to continue to participate in the "job" they currently have (assuming it's relevant - money managers would be useless during transition), because they would not need to be stressed about paying for kids (or there own) education, medical services, food etc....

    THE way I see is this. If the collective agree that we want to move in this direction while the project teams are working on upgrading society, the rest would be either getting an education if needed (lots of wall street people back in school lol ), or working on there current jobs. ACCEPT, their hours would be shortened because business would hire a lot more people to separate the work load and give people free time. If you are a mechanic, your business can hire more mechanics which you would then work 3 days instead of 5 (I am sure there is plenty of people unemployed that would want to help). If you work in the food industry (im assuming you like to cook) you would continue to do so and even hire more cooks....you get the*

  • Jeff 3 years ago

    Sounds like they are looking for a perfect day:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Perfect_Day

  • Anonymous 1 year ago

    davi, i found your analysis and debunking of the zeitgeist films much more interesting than the movies themselves. appreciate the amount of time and research you put into them.

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