An update on the company that claims to have an engine that runs on noble gas. The fuel is essentially free, and the simple engine would be cheaper than the engines it would be replacing. New testing and development facility announced.
Wellman, Iowa, USA – On Nov. 19, 2009, John Rohner of PlasmERG Inc. announced that their patent has been accepted for their revolutionary Plasmic Transition Process in which noble or inert gas is used to run an engine. The patent has been peer and examiner reviewed, and is expected to be awarded in a couple of months.
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This noble (inert) gas engine, with just five moving parts, would cost 1/3 what a regular engine of comparable output would cost. Meanwhile, its fuel cost is nearly negligible. It's kind of like a Stirling engine -- a sealed system -- except that the expanding component is internal, and comes by way of a plasma form of inert, noble gasses, which are not consumed in the process, and which are environmentally benign.
PlasmERG has also secured a registered trademark of the phrase "Plasmic Transition Process" as the standard description of the way the motor works.
They were attentive in the patent to see that every form is covered and that the controller will be flexible enough to adapt to various iterations and hardware design changes.
Ironically, as evidence for their design, they reference their competitor brothers' Papp Engine, as a "proof of concept" video, to show that "the Plasmic Transition Process is real and does work as expected." It is based loosely on the 1983 Joseph Papp patent which was the starting point for their discovery of the process.
The competitor brothers, Bob and Tom Rohner, apparently implementing the suggestions from their estranged brother John, have simplified the fuel mixer, reduced the coils, and made it a simple single cylinder – which is similar to the design John's group is pursuing as well. The Papp patent assumed that a single cylinder engine would not be possible, stating that only "paired" cylinders will work. John Rohner says he was the first to try this configuration and prove it.
PlasmERG is expecting completion of a new set of motors and generators by around Christmas at which time they will begin analysis of complete systems, to test various gas mixes to see how the controller must be adjusted to provide best operation from each. They have copyrighted over 30 such gas mixtures already. Their firmware is registered as a "Company Secret". It will not be public for safety reasons.
They have also started working on a mini single cylinder 250cc for use in smaller applications and gensets, and they expect to test it around January as well.
In January, they plan to have a license manager coming on board to get other countries started as co-developers as well. The company is starting to staff up now. They are inviting interested parties to contact them in January about working with them.
The company now has a research facility where their tests will be done and the firmware built and tested. The facility has a numeric control machine shop with about 100 square yards of floor space, along with a two story office space with a conference room and several drawing rooms, one of which now has their CAD system running. The new test bays will be remote controlled and will collect data on the fly. They have allocated 18 terabytes of file server storage for their data collection efforts.
They have ordered two 16 KWH, two 25 KWH and two starter motor/generators from China. The Starter Motor will be used to start the engine and then the controller will switch it into a generator for battery and motor use. The Generators will be the test loads and can be swapped or placed in serial for an 80 KWH load for their 1800 RPM testing.
John says they have a number of states offering to let them do production there, with training money. However, the company policy is to have the state find someone within the state to get a license and then build, as the company doesn't want to be monolithic but spread out. Maintenance of installed systems is easier if the providing company is closer.
They also have a co development project with a Chinese company that will have their new engines onsite December and January for testing and characterization. The Chinese group are the ones requesting smaller motors as they are developing a fully electric vehicle in which to use it. This simple vehicle would have no mechanical transmission or drive train.
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It's always hard to decide whether crackpots are con-men or genuinely deluded. Whatever the case, it's interesting to watch them feud, which the interesting reader may do at:
www.greenoptimistic.com/2008/02/11/bob-rohner-co-producer-of-joseph-papp-engine-on-greenoptimisticcom/
Or is it a sham feud? Do they all work for the big oil companies?
Sarge.
Last year, when I filed the provisional, I offered them each 1/4, with my partner and me. They turned me down. They "did not need a patent" and did not want to share. Thus the family feud.
The difference is I have a patent filed, am setting up production, computerized testing bays & work with various Co developers in China & Canada etc. I wish to share.
They have nice toy single cylinder popper. I told them about a optical portal, 2 years ago. When I said Papp was wrong & single cylinder would work, or Coils could be simplified or fuel mixer was a joke, they told me I was nuts. Now they are using these.
I made a point of the fact that the gas was not the problem the Controller was, see the "how it works" article, they said I knew nothing. Their popper is push button so they've not gotten to a controller yet.
My patent was reviewed by scientists in the field who were skeptics until they saw one running too.
We'll go public when we can supply units.
Enjoy life C Y'
John, do you mind providing your patent application number so we can follow along? And how about the names of the scientists who you converted from skeptics to believers. Hey, while you are at it, how about any proof at all, because I suspect if you had any you would not be wasting your time shouting from this particular soapbox on the corner of Gomer Avenue and Rube Lane (otherwise known as PES Network).
"wasting your time ... on the corner of Gomer Avenue and Rube Lane (otherwise known as PES Network)."
Gee, then we would have missed you.
At our corp. annual meeting we will discus our "publicity" plans & "privacy" plans. Maybe we'll change them. We have, internally set a date for our first public showing, and where, and as soon as those plans are finalized you will know.
Our privacy policy is "not publish any name unless they wish it" and we have no plans to change that, ever.
This announcement, as the provisional which preceded it, are simply the standard benchmark to let people know you are proceeding toward completion. In MBA terms "project 101".
we will happily give you whatever info you wish when they open the process up to remarks.
I suggest if you wish to know "how and why" it works you review the article previously published on the PES site. It is not magic & certainly understandable.
Or get a License or Co Dev, they see things now.
Or relax & wait.
Some of us more sardonic souls frequent this particular establishment to get our fix of miscreant humor. Sterling is our pusher man and you are the drug. Back on topic, to summarize your previous post, you will not (cannot) provide any proof of any of the claims Mr. Allen attributes to you. God, I am so high right now!
JK
Understand our logic. For years now people make claims, raise money & nothing happens. We decided to share things with Co developers & License holders ONLY until the capability to physically provide a working motor to any company wishing to purchase, exists.
We have not asked anyone to invest & to buy stock would require you get "qualified", so not much of that either, except my friends. This "privacy" allows us to try many things without outside noise. For instance, we'll run a 250CC single cylinder engine late December into a 40KWH generator. We also are considering trying a 100CC engine for use in a pure electric car, no huge lithium batteries & their weight.
We did spend a couple months designing & installing a Gigabyte intranet & 18 terabytes of storage, so we can automate four test bays to workstations. Not cheap.
We are dedicated to getting these into mass production & use.
So we supply markers as to where we are so you can see we are real until that day. Reality Info
jk
One last note. You will notice we have taken a methodical & business approach to developing what we "discovered", provisional, then Patent, then production. But unlike others I have presented a paper on How & Why it works. Have you ever seen anyone do that before? Nice little videos do not prove they know anything except how to make videos.
I was like you at one tim. I went thru every frame of every video my brother Bob had scarfed. I was looking for some trick.
I even rewrote Papps patent to readable.
What that did was show me everything done wrong & how it should have been. Not "Magic" as we were told for 20 odd years but plain science. Just hidden a bit.
At the board meeting I plan to ask if we can show more real working motors & less 3D drawings. So Q1 next year you probably will see more actual hardware & such. The controller picture is real. Prod version is SMT & 1/2 the size. This is our test version.
So relax the technology does work & soon will be at your local stor
OK. So no patent or application number, no evidence, no people who saw it work want to be quoted. Why would anyone believe this? Because you say so?
Just a Quick note
Dr. John P Rohner of Top Secret PhD MIT fame does not have a clue as to what we are doing in our single cylinder test video. His comments border on comedy. Plasmerg has no copyrights at all and you can't copyright gas mixtures at any rate. He rents the front end of that building he's showing. He says the machine shop is 900 sq-feet which isn't anything to brag about. Of course he told us about six months ago he had a 100,000 sq-ft research center hidden somewhere. Anyway as you've noted the hogwash just keeps rolling in.
Sarge, Tom and Bob Rohner have never taken a penny in research or development funds from anyone. Since we totally believe in what we do, I would guess that puts us in the crackpot catagory.
The story of John became a jock. Just words all over. Its a nice and respectful site that dont have to give a stage for such unreliable stories.
Lil brother,
Why not mention that you got $36k from me to keep you from losing everything in foreclosure, which you have now stolen.
Also that I offered you 1/4 of PlasmERG & you turned it down. You were greedy wanted it ALL.
Or, that you own nothing, all belongs to your wife (over a $100K in tax liens). So You are someone with no credit, money or ownership, you now say you have "never taken a penny", Yet you just bought a nice new F150 Ford pickup.
Where did that money come from? I suppose Tom is supporting you now. Or More probable it is another of your usual "stories".
Yes, our plant is nice and cozy. We like it, roof & all. Rented w/o liens.. Oh, there's a typo it should read 100 Yds x 70 yds shop area & two story office area.
I'll post some pix of your shop for reference. Or maybe the County property Tax lien (>$95K) your wife is stuck for, by you.
You do have people, with keys, wanting to see their investment, I suppose they are CEI. So you aren't getting any, hmmmm
As to what WE know about making it work. Hmmmm.
Well, I seem to have a patent, published articles, another soon in a international magazine, data being presented on our sites, as we learn things from our ongoing series of tests of various single & multiple cylinder engines, fuel mixtures & Controller Firmware. Even you have benefited from that, I notice you have lots of my ideas in your test now.. I do remember when you told me everything you show working, was impossible and "really ignorant" "won't possibly work" or "since you did not work with Papp you have no Idea".. I can post your messages if you have forgotten. NOT working with Papp was a godsend.
YOU HAVE... well, Tom filed a Provisional 5 months after mine, after we had some discussions about the engine.
So, who is what? You have no clue.
You have been harassing me & calling me, and my friends, names for a year now. Everyone knows it.
We will go public when we've data & facilities to do so.
OR Maybe Just GO "OPEN".. !!!
Dr. John P Rohner of Top Secret PhD MIT Fame.
Once again, you do not have a patent. You've never had a patent. You may get a patent, but don't hold your breath.
It's true that I have a ten year old pickup truck and some property tax problems, the point being... The rest of your comments are for the most part directly out of some La La land.
Tom and I have two web sites, pappengine and rohnermachine. Our evidence is real and actual from both then and now. I challenge the both the posters and you to study and find the flaws in these presentations.
You have at least sixty sites and still present nothing substantiated. Only a few cartoons and a view of your newly rented crapper. Again, I challenge any poster to study and find any documented facts on any of your sites.
Tell us about any idea of yours Tom and I may have used and what you think Tom stole from you for his patent. Feel free to
post any detrimental information about me you may have.
Lil Brother
Well, I DO have a patent filed.
I expect to see it accepted soon.
IT proves I do know what & how this "Plasmic Transition Process" tm, works.
There is nothing you can do about that. I have no fear of any challenge to it as I have things to back it with & am not worried about "proving" any part of it when asked by the USPTO to do so, Peer review or demonstration etc.
That may be why I don't engage in your theatrics. You had your chance and you turned it down.
I have no problems "Holding my breath" until it is accepted.
You, & your CEI buddies, for over 25 years now are trying to make sure that it never gets to the world. Get set for a shock because it will be sooner than you think.
IF the patent does not go through I will publish ALL the data "Open", free for anyone, to insure it gets used. Money means nothing next to knowing we have helped.
Talk about lala land! U R there.
Sorry, your noise is just noise!
You have no clue where we are & that is "on purpo
Lil Bro!
As far as your truck, how someone that owes his brother over $100K etc. could use that money for "personal" gain is testament to your ethics. But it is nice to know I own a BIG part of what you are doing, as you have "invested" it in your showpiece. My lawyers are aware that you are using it & what for. But I imagine your wife will pay anyway. She always does.
I will admit you have a great old video of a Steam popper, given the huge amount of voltage jumping the gap behind it. It does prove over $20 million was spent on something over 26 years by your CEI company. You did one with NO Money.. Sure. The guy that rolled up with keys and asked about seeing his investment was nothing. Given your history I believe you...! :0)
You can say anything you like about my 3D drawings & data. But can you prove any of it false. OR, maybe, I am posting real & extrapolated data based on real data? Wanna Bet? At least it is new not the SOS.
Pardon me I have REAL things to do. U R insig.
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Voltage doesn't jump gaps Dr. John P. Rohner of top secret PhD MIT fame, current does. Perhaps this was not covered in one of the physics courses you taught. Now be nice and explain where waste heat goes in our so called steam popper. Your abilities as an observer are apparently minimal.
This process you called steam pop by the way is the same one you referenced in the above article as proving your concept. It is also the same one you claim to have invented. So what do we believe now. It appears there is at least three or four sides to every story you tell.
Is this the process video you sent to your examiner? Is this the process video you claim we got from you? Is this the process video that you say you understand what we did? Or as you say below, is this a scam process video showing a steam popper?
For the readers, this video can be seen at the pappengine site and nowhere else. View it carefully and reason things out before
reaching the same dumb conclusions John came up with.
Lil Bro.
Thanks for the laugh!
Actually, it is a function of power as represented by both voltage & current called Watts. 1V * 1A = 1W. The distance jumped has much more to do with voltage, speed, than amperage. Van de Graf generators pop long arcs created by very high Voltage at very small amperage, not lethal. Static Electricity is a high voltage low current arc. Do you need a course in electrical flow? Sorry no cigar!
The steam popper is on your site, under new developments, not Toms. It came from your CEI company, not Tom. Tom did not raise over 20 million and pocket it. You did via CEI.
The video on Tom's site is good. It has all my changes on it. Good work. Single cylinder, with peephole in chamber, fewer coils, No Rube Goldberg Mixer. All things YOU told me would not work when I mentioned them, a year & a half, or more, ago.
Looks to me that Tom knows what works & you have no clue. Your the mechanic. Tom is the brains. I know that.
Not a surprise..
It is a nice
Dr. Johnny Peter Rohner PhD MIT
Voltage pushes, resistance restricts, and current flows. The arc is current flowing simple as that. Perhaps you should go back to you computer programming career after all.
CEI has provided no money nor completed any experiments with Tom or Bob or the Rohner Group at all. The twenty million bucks you mention is a simple out and out lie. Just more LaLa Land stuff emanating from your deteriorating mind. Prove me wrong!! You can't!! It's a lie!!
Either set of experiments leave you with the same problem, where does the waste heat go. Obviously, steam can't be cooled that fast so T is out, there's no venting so P is out. With your warped MIT degree, you are getting V2 to V1 with no DP or DT. Pretty damn good trick. In fact you should patent this steam engine. It's revolutionary. Once again I advise you to learn to observe before shooting your mouth off. The other test Dr. John is discussing is on the rohnermachine site, the very last video.
Lil Bro.
Thanks for the laugh!
Actually, it is a function of power as represented by both voltage & current called Watts. 1V * 1A = 1W. The distance jumped has much more to do with voltage, speed, than amperage. Van de Graf generators pop long arcs created by very high Voltage at very small amperage, not lethal. Static Electricity is a high voltage low current arc. Do you need a course in electrical flow? Sorry no cigar!
The steam popper is on your site, under new developments, not Toms. It came from your CEI company, not Tom. Tom did not raise over 20 million and pocket it. You did via CEI.
The video on Tom's site is good. It has all my changes on it. Good work. Single cylinder, with peephole in chamber, fewer coils, No Rube Goldberg Mixer. All things YOU told me would not work when I mentioned them, a year & a half, or more, ago.
Looks to me that Tom knows what works & you have no clue. Your the mechanic. Tom is the brains. I know that.
Not a surprise..
It is a nice
Dr. John
As I've said before, I have a MBA, a BS in Mechanical engineering with honors, and I'm one hell of a machinist and a pretty good mechanic. I am neither ashamed or embarrassed to be called by any of these names. What should I call you? My engines ran for thousands of hours with no failures. Yours run only in your computer cartoons and those were set up for you by Dr. Haik Biglari, a talented engineer who dumped you.
Regarding the single cylinder,the output is not and will never be over unity. The single cylinder (although key) is just a different type of electric motor and an inefficient one at that. You are missing the point all together. The other fact, is your silly fuel level sensor, nothing is consumed. A good spectrum analyzer wouldn't even work. As the mixture changes in elemental proportions, there is no way to refresh the contained mixture in the cylinder.Pretty silly idea when you think about it. These facts are just two of many proving you have nothing at all.
lil bro!
I'll be sure to tell Haik that he dumped me. He will get as big a laugh out of that as I do.
Your engine, was never engines, ONLY ENGINE, the other 5 never ran, just junk hardware. Papp made it run, so grow up. That was over 26 years ago & you have not made one run since.
Without using my controller technology you never will.
If your popper is just "unity" then you are miles behind us. We are many times unity in our tests of motors, WAY Past.
As to how the sensor works, again you show you do not understand the "Plasmic Transition Process" in any way. If you did you'd know what that port can tell the controller about engine operation & how to slew timing, Coil voltages, RF energy & activation etc.
I would suggest you rethink "nothing is consumed" as on every event 2 atoms are lost. The fuel is NOT spent in UNKNOWN proportions it is fully predictable.
So you really have no clue how it works, too bad
You can at least make plasma.
You have one right.
Good luck f
Hi to all spectators of this ridiculous boxing arena.
We are pleases to see the two brothers here.
One (John) who tells us stories without any base. All we get from him are words and childish drawings with zero mass and gravity. If he really had something in hand he was not keeping it in his stomach and blows about 60 childish sites (yes there are 60 of them) on the air with nothing real. Every one can say he has a way to make gold out of rubber and even write a patent for it, but that dose not mean that it is feasible. So, till John has something real to show us, it is better for us to just consider him as an entertainer and nothing else.
The other one is Bob and his brother Tom, who really follows Papps legacy and it seems that finally (after so many years) they start moving their asses and do something, and even show they do.
My opinion is that John is just jealoulsy mad of his brother’s progress and tries to jeopardize their activity with air blow.
Enjoy the entertainment
Dr Johnny Peter of MIT PhD Top Secret Fame
I quote: "Bob, thanks to you, I am now the SOLE patent owner. You did a great job of harassing Haik. Hope you are proud of it."
I thought that meant he dumped you. If he didn't he should. You are saying Dr.Haik Biglari walked away from a billion dollar patent because I harassed him. Come on Dr. John, get serious.
Are you lying again? Can't we ever have just one straight answer
from you. What you present as believable is only smoke and mirrors for the uninformed. A detailed analysis will prove this so. I will respond to your technology in a moment.
As far as the number of engines running, actually we ran two. You weren't there. Remember! The Rohner Group wants me to quit
the responses so this is my last one. Observe and analyze and
the truth will emerge.
Now as to the technology. No matter how good your sensors are, or how your fictitious "Plasmic Transition Process" works you can't remix in the cylinder. There is conversion and leakage leaving contamination, so that's end game for the controller.
You state your process consumes (not converts) two atoms per pop. If this is true, consider: the average number of atoms of any gas in the cylinder mix is the (density/M)Na(cc/5) or roughly 9 x 10^20. At 2 atoms per pop x 4000 pops per minute we have a fuel life of about 10^17 minutes. This converts to roughly to 200,000,000,000,000 years. I could be a few trillion years off here but I really don't think you need to worry about refueling your process. Again we see the shear stupidity of this Plasmic engine theory and response
Sorry, when 1 element is fused to another creating a new one I consider the original consumed not converted.
Hmm, your math is really bad. 1800 RPM is 30 PPS not 67, from there your equations are just as wrong. Even Papp got this calculation correct. You need to go, look at his calculations & transfer these to FORTRAN. Use REAL RPM values & Transition areas as offsets, in which case your computer will tell you just how wrong you are.
As to the remix process, all I can say is that it does work, been tested & it can refill, as needed. At least using Our designs. Leaking & contamination are a function of the precise control of the process. There is a point where what is "blown by" is "recovered" without contamination, if designed properly.
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As to how many motors ran. I am working credible history, 1 motor worked, 1 motor was removed by the IRS & that 1 motor was stolen from them. I do know of 5 that never have or will work.
Now you have this 1, you say. Interesting!!
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Thanks for making my case. Yes a new element is created. This new element is contamination. It's in the mix and your magic little controller can't isolate and remove it from a running engine.
I don't care about Papp's calculations. We are discussing you Dr. Johnny. You just said 1800 RPM is 30 PPS not 67?? In a two cylinder engine it's 60 pps but so what??
You said Plasmic consumed 2 atoms per pop. Now we know number of atoms of 1/5 of the gas in the cylinder is 9 x 10^20 depending on the density. Very simple equation, don't need a computer for this. I used 2000 rpm as a round figure and a two cylinder motor or 4000 pops per minute. So 9/4 x 10^20-3 = 2 x 10^17 minutes. A year is about 5 x 10^5 seconds or the total operation time is 10/5 x 10^17-5 = 2 x 10^12 years. If you want to run at 1800 it will run longer. If we only use 10% rather than 20% of the gas it will last half as long. Either way a trillion years or so is just a real long time. Try using HS math not FORTRAN.
Dr. Johnny. You must learn to observe. There is clearly two different motors in operation in our videos as well as Papp's horizontal which didn't run. There are two motors sitting here in West Liberty right now. Nothing was stolen from the IRS. That is a blatant lie. There are three experimental engines newly custom built, which can be made operable when set up properly. Where you get five more I have no idea. Clearly you don't know what your talking about. You weren't there. Simple enough.
One final thing. Even Top Secret MIT PhD's should know that generators are rated in KW not KWH. Hopefully you know the difference. It will be interesting to see the 333 amp resistive load you put on those puppies to test power. However, It would not be wise to hook them in series as you stated, they will individually melt down. You may want to consider buying a good dyno after all. The starter generator is a good idea. You can find them in any golf cart. Didn't need to go clear the China.
2 in west liberty, Plus 3 others seems to = 5. You manufactured & Leased, $50k each, 5, none of which ever worked. YOU said YOU had gotten the "ORIGINAL" working motor that was in Florida. Since the IRS confiscated everything then how do you have one? Or is this another lie?
There are several ways to rate generators not just KW. Series?
Guess you have never used a stock water tank as a load dump. Pretty easy to do.
We have 2 Dyno's on order for installation at our test site, it's the water tank that will take time, we have the well.
That is right it is why the motor may need be flushed every 3 years. However, There is also a secondary reaction that creates another form & it actually helps the engine seal, by bonding, creating even a slicker surface. From our testing this reduces the product your referencing & will prolong the period to over 10 years.
But I am sure you know that.
You're measuring "fuel life" it's done from a single "Sealed" cyl. Thus 1800 PPM / 60 seconds = 30 PPS. Please post formula you used to get 67? 2 would be 2 * 30 = 60!! Where do the extra 7 come from?
2 is best case, worst case would be 8.
Actually the "standard" year is 365.25 Days, 8,766 hours, 525,960 minutes or 31,557,600 seconds.
You should use published standards, not your guess.
There is also a loss of electrons & neutrons, albiet to small to really effect overall, from repeated Plasmic transitions.
There is a secondary effect that does not seem to be quantified in your numbers.
Also you seem to have the atomic density incorrectly stated as This will vary based on Gas & percentages. You have not defined the actual volume of each gas in the chamber.
You evidently do not use the same formula & area, we do. Nor the "standard" Papp based mix.
If you publish your fuel mixture & area it could be computed better. Not enough Data to solve this.
how did u?
REDO!?
I want everyone to fully understand who my Lil Brother REALLY is.
My youngest brother, Tom, contacted me a few months ago saying he had type 3 Pancreatic Cancer. He was going to San Diego, for treatment & he could not get together with my wife & I.
This disease has a less than 10% cure rate. It typically is a death sentence, in 6 months.
Both my wife & I were saddened by this prospect.
A few weeks ago, Bob stated in one of his usual emails that Tom "was cured and would live forever".
I never heard from Tom, but we were relieved to find out he was going to be OK, according to Bob.
Last night we bumped into Toms Kids. I asked how good it felt that Tom was cured & would be alright.
I was immediately CORRECTED. He has maybe a month more to live & is in a hospital in San Diego. They were appalled that Bob could tell such a horrible lie. No Ethics at all.
Do you want to deal with him or believe his garbage? If so please do. I'll no longer communicate with him!
Not worthy
Tom personally will reply to your last entry. You are an ass.
Now back to the technology about which you seem to be befuddled.
Generators are never ever rated in KWH, it's silly to even say so? Series? Of course not! It was your idea, not mine!
Regarding the calculation. First> You say: "If you publish your fuel mixture & area it could be computed better." Now Dr. John, as a top secret MIT PhD I believe you would want the volume not the area. Second> nowhere do I mention 1800 rpm, why do you keep bring this up?? Third> when we're talking about a life of a couple trillion years, it is hardly necessary to go beyond a significant digit in the calculations. If the gas mix is one percent or a hundred percent the result still shows the life being absurdly long by your plasmic definition, ie: adjusting to 1800 rpm and 1 percent fuel the life is still 90 billion years.
However,I did mean minutes as indicated in the calculations.
If you disagree, May we have your life calculations
I have pancreatic cancer in stage 4 and was given two months to live last July. I want to make it very clear Bob has been by my side from the first diagnosis and lead the process to get me accepted in a new protocol treatment just approved by the FDA. I’ve been having wondrous results. I’m back in very good shape, great appetite, Tumors dying and looking forward to Christmas. I’m cautiously hoping for a long and fruitful life with the grace of god.
This protocol appears to be working with all types of Cancer. If you know of anyone with Cancer, especially if they have given up, please send me an email and I'll forward their URL and my experiences.
A misunderstanding with my son took place in the restroom at a casino. Last five months has been life threatening with last month showing great success. Recently was in San Diego for a checkup. I have not heard from John for a great while. I hope next time John would call or email me instead of me reading it on a blog.
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Also our fuel contains only 2 Noble gases, One is buffer other is catalyst, activater.
Much different from your "public domain" formula.
We use real science & scientists!!
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Plasma Chemistry - A. Fridman (Cambridge, 2008)
Physics of Plasmas - L. Woods (Wiley-VCH, 2004)
Mathematical Modeling Plasma Transport in Tokamaks [thesis] (1995)
MARFES - An Edge Plasma Phenomenon [jnl article - MIT]
Q is for Quantum - an Encyclopedia of Particle Physics - J. Gribbin
Nice try Bob.
But Tom HAS heard from me "recently".
He has not answered that but you answered for him here. Congrats!!
As to the rest of your uneducated blather and misinformation,
try reading these (I have ).
Then maybe you will have intelligent questions:
These were supplied by friends who were real scientists and if you have trouble finding them I have these in the PlasmERG library and can loan anything you can not find to you.
The PlasmERG library also has several hundred more available for research as well as papers and collected data.
I know that is not as good as "standing next to Papp" but it is a lot more modern and useful.
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At The Frontier of Particle Physics - Hbk of QCD - M. Shifman (World, 2001)
Fusion Plasma Physics - W. Stacey (Wiley-VCH, 2005)
Introduction to Elementary Particle Physics - A. Bettini (Cambridge, 2008)
Magnetic Control of Tokamak Plasmas - M. Ariola, A. Pironti (Springer, 2008)
Of course Tom wrote the proceeding about his cancer. Once again I repeat, you are a true ass.
That is a wonderful list of books you supplied. However, not one of these wizz-bangs ever made a Papp engine run. I notice that you Dr. John P Rohner of Top Secret PhD MIT fame who supposedly taught classes in physics, has never ever published a single book or paper on any of these subjects in your entire life. The best joke is that you expect us to believe you have lots of scientist friends when you cannot mention even one by name.
All I ever asked you to do is verify some simple mathematics for us. If it is too tough for a MIT graduate, I would suggest you repeat high school. The fact that you don't know the difference between KW and KWH, or area and volume, or the effects of series connections, or how to calculate the number of atoms in a closed container is disconcerting. As always, same old Smoke and Mirror reply! May we just please see your fuel life calculation?? A simple reques
One other minor detail!
Dr. John P. Rohner states flatly: ""Also our fuel contains only 2 Noble gases, One is buffer, other is catalyst, activater." Much different from your "public domain" formula. We use real science & scientists!!""
The problem here as I see it is that you have a buffer material, and you have a catalyst. I'm not sure how you do things at MIT nor how your scientist think, and real science in La La land may be entirely different but I believe you might need a reactant.
One gas is a buffer which does nothing but transfer energy, and One gas is a catalyst which doesn't undergo any permanent change by definition. So according to the Plasmerg-ic process, nothing happens and lots of power is created for billions and billions of years.
So, who is the king of uneducated blather and misinformation. I would recommend you try high school and skip all those books for now. First things first.
Lil Brother
Well I did send Tom a message, and he has not answered me. So why would he say he had not heard from me in a long while? If he had, as you say, written the comment that sounds just like your usual blab.. Framing & words fit your Bob (GOD) Speak not his educated type.
You really do need to learn to read.
The statement was "Also our fuel contains only 2 Noble gases". In other words two of the components in our fuel mix are noble gases the rest are not. I would think even you could have figured that out.
As far as your questions, Go find the answer elsewhere. Your math is wrong and even funny. But your usual blast and bl;ast and say nothing speak.
Sorry not chatting with a person of your caliber and lack of decency.
Read a few books and maybe you will find the "migration" that disproves your math. But since you have no clue what makes the process work and still seem to think "standing close" means "getting taught". Having been "around" is not "understand"..
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You know Dr. John, most people who read about Tom would have to wonder why, if he's dying in three weeks, you haven't at least called him or went to see him. You only live thirty miles away. He is your brother after all. One lousy e-mail is the best you can do. While your at it call and ask him if he wrote the proceeding comments. It would seem the logical thing. Are you afraid of him? Much of what your trying to steal is his after all. Are you afraid he's going to live and show the world what a true BS artist you are? Com-on big man, call your brother for god's sakes. We will wait for your report.
You really have to wonder who is not worthy.
When you finish with Tom perhaps you can explain why and how you used our latest test cylinder videos (which operates only on inert gases) to verify your plasmerg-ick process (which does not use inert gasses in an active role} to an examiner (who doesn't exist). I wonder which story if any is true.
Sure enough lil bro!
Last time I heard from Tom He told me that he would not be available to meet until after he returned from San Diego but if he was able to then we would get together but otherwise it was not something he could, or wished, to do. Since I trust him and mot you I await his message to see him. IF he is back and IF he is well I believe HE would have sent that message and it would, or will, happen. I prefer to abide my Trustworthy Brothers wishes not your sniveling, lying snarl.
No mater the Gas mixture the Process still works the same.
The difference is how efficient it is.
So it is not a problem considering the additional papers filed.
Sorry you lose again..
Bye
So you think your brother's dying and you can't dial his cell phone with out a written invitation. Better yet, you can't get off your big fat ass and go to see how he is. I pity just how pathetic you have become. You use a family catastrophe only to create more lies to cover you tracks. I am not the loser here.
You have proved repeatedly that you cannot answer the simplest of engineering questions. You cannot substantiate one bit of your data no matter how trivial. You have no idea of how to use descriptive parameters and basic math which most high school students could apply. Your plasmerg-ick process is illogically redefined almost daily to the point of silliness. You've filed no copyrights, talked to no patent examiners, registered no trade secrets, nor ran any engines. Beyond your claims to a massive intellect, there has not been one sustained fruitful discussion. When challenged on any point you simply spin a new lie or personal insult. To Continue is pointless.
Lil Brother
You are right.
I wish to honor my brothers dying wishes without "forcing" myself on him. That makes me bad?
I have no wish to abide any more of your Bob Speak, after a year of that constantly, I am tired of your harassment.
With You & your wife's theft from your family, my wife & I are suing for some ($100K+) of it back, no interest in trusting you or telling anyone they should.
I have no interest in answering questions from someone that believes he "Knows Everything", but was not smart enough to patent it. So knows nothing. Why should I?
You & your CEI company, the one you threaten to sue me with, spent 25+ yrs, $15+ million & now you think I know nothing. Yet in less than a year you have "miraculously" done what you, or they, could not before.
Don't like that cash boat being rocked?
Believe as you wish. PlasmERG partnership was offered to You. You turned it down. Not my decision. I did my Part!
Time will tell just what PlasmERG has & can do.
Watch us!
Dr. John P.Rohner, These are the facts.
Case Number 1:2002CR00016 Felony conviction for Fraud 09/1997 Sentenced to three years and a $5000 fine. 06/2002 Sentenced to an additional 5 month for skipping probation.
MIT registrar: No PhD in nuclear physics, No MS in Electrical Engineering, never heard of him. No such thing as Top Secret degrees as Doctor John states. Records Search: No BS in EE ever issued.
US patent office – Fraud and Scam division. No examiner ever appointed, no proof of concept requested, never asked to make presentations, no contact with the DOD or Commerce Department as claimed. No patents ever issued, no copyrights issued, and there is no such thing as trade secret registration. No grants ever issued.
Promised demo for Jan. of 2009 never happened. Eleven months later no photos or documentation ever presented. Not one qualified scientist or engineer has or will provide any public support for plasmerg-ick.
Three more years in the can and you might l
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A MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!
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For those of you interested in Real Information from the company with the experience & patents ( not just Bob Speak from a wannabee) you may want to start joining www.plasmicmotor.com and watch their Projects section.
The fuel mixtures to support the various Projects will be in www.plasmicfuel.com in the same project folder.
Our proprietary Fuel Mixtures are not the same old thing as those known, or read about.
For the Purely Noble gas mixtures we have corrected the errant math and will be presenting usable formulations based on our experience with various sized engines and Expansion Coefficient requirements.
These will be provided in a way anyone can mix them.
We hope this will convince some people to join our company as we staff up for the future through the next year.
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