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Odin a much better god than Jesus

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With the return of fall and the news that college atheist groups are growing, I was taken back to my own experience as an atheist with one of the campus preachers at my alma mater. He was, of course, declaiming the greatness of his god, Jesus. Instead of taking the atheistic, gods do not exist, route of debate, I challenged him on his claim that Jesus was so great. The argument has been refined over the intervening years, but the basis still holds: the Norse god Odin is much more impressive a figure than Jesus.

Creation. Here Odin takes the clear edge. Along with his brothers, Villi and Ve, Odin killed the giant Ymir. From his skin, Odin and his brothers made the Earth. From his blood, they made the oceans and the lakes. From other body parts, they made the mountains, the trees, and the rest of the world of humans. Jesus, on the other hand, had no role in creation. He did not even exist until well after the world began.

Sacrifice, the execution. Here, the Christian thinks his god has the edge. After all, they claim, Jesus died for us all. Sadly they are mistaken. While the death of Jesus is not pleasant, being beaten then nailed to a cross until he died later that day, this sacrifice is made even weaker considering the omniscience of the Christian god. He knows that after a day of suffering, he will rise again then spend the next period in the splendorous perfection of heaven. it hardly holds a candle to the two sacrifices that Odin endured. Odin's first sacrifice involved plucking his own eyeball from his head. His second sacrifice involved hanging himself from a tree for nine days and impaling himself with his own spear. The shear level of sacrifice undergone by this god is way beyond that of Jesus.

Sacrifice, the results. Odin's sacrifices gained a great deal, both for him and for his people. By plucking out his own eye, Odin was granted sight into the future. By hanging himself, he gained the secrets of the runes, bringing writing, poetry, and magic to the Norse people. On the surface, Jesus's sacrifice also gained an extraordinary amount, namely the redemption of all mankind (or, at least, all those who believe in him). However, this also portrays a major weakness of the Christian god. If he is all-powerful, why would a god need to sacrifice anything, let alone his own incarnate self, to himself to absolve mankind of transgressions against laws that he made? A god should be capable of simply forgiving transgressions against his own laws. By exposing this weakness of Christian logic, Jesus's sacrifice actually makes him look weaker.

Lessons for humanity. Both gods teach lessons that include concepts like providing hospitality to strangers in a hostile environment, clearly a good lesson. However, the basis of each belief system could not be more different. Jesus, especially in the re-telling of mainstream modern Christianity, taught a message of meekness and humbleness. Odin taught a life of boldness and assurance. Jesus's followers are servants. Odin's are warriors. What this world needs are people who are willing to stand up for what they think is right, not those who will fawn in front of a throne. Nowhere is this difference more profound than at the end of life. The ultimate reward of Christianity comes to those who bend their knee and beg forgiveness will gain reward. Odin's followers sang out:

Catlle die, kinsmen die / Every man is mortal

I know one thing that never dies / The dead man's reputation

While we know that neither god is real, and that these mythologies are just the creations of ignorant cultures, it can be interesting to compare them and others. And sometimes it is more fun to engage the theists on their own turf, rather than in the real world.

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  • Profile picture of Pauline Dolinski
    Pauline Dolinski 3 years ago

    Interesting to compare religious gods.

  • Anonymous 3 years ago

    I thought jesus WAS god, just in human form. Or rather, the 'father, son, and holy spirit' are all one entity.

  • Profile picture of Andrew Kennett
    Andrew Kennett 3 years ago

    If Jesus was God, that is if they were all one entity, then who was he talking to on the cross? Or as he prayed at any other time?

  • Anonymous 3 years ago

    indeed very good. +1

  • Cody Miller 3 years ago

    1. Creation: "For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities--all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together." (Colossians 1:16-17)

    "All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. " (John 1:3)

    Jesus created everything and unlike Odin, he did it out of pure nothing.

    2. Sacrifice, the execution: Jesus does not know all things as God the Father does. Therefore, we can only speculate as to whether or not Jesus knew the entire plan or His resurrection through the power of the Father. Example, "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." (Matthew 24:36)

    The cross was more than physical torture in the eyes of a Christian theist, it was the gravity of God's Holy wrath against all mankind being released upon Him.

    Furthermore, we can never conclusively know who suffered more (Jesus or Odin), since such a question is entirely subjective in nature. (Which is more cute, a puppy or a kitty kat?)

    3. Lessons for Humanity: "Therefore, brethren, [...] we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus..." (Hebrews 10:19)

    "No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you." (John 15:15)

    "for which I am an ambassador in chains; that in proclaiming it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak." (Ephesians 6:20)

    Believers approach the throne of grace with confidence, willingly bowing the knee to Jesus as Lord. They are not slaves or servants, but friends of God, and they are called to proclaim his message boldly while living a life of humility and gentleness.

    Odin's followers may have been loud and militant, but the Bible teaches that the quiet wise man is more successful than the noisy army.

    "There was a small city with few men in it and a great king came to it, surrounded it and constructed large siegeworks against it. But there was found in it a poor wise man and he delivered the city by his wisdom Yet no one remembered that poor man. So I said, "Wisdom is better than strength." But the wisdom of the poor man is despised and his words are not heeded. The words of the wise heard in quietness are better than the shouting of a ruler among fools. Wisdom is better than weapons of war, but one sinner destroys much good. " (Ecclesiastes 9:14-18)

    Cheers,
    Cody

  • Profile picture of Andrew Kennett
    Andrew Kennett 3 years ago

    How could Jesus create anything? He didn't exist until the world was entirely formed.

    And if you give him credit for the works of the old man, then you have to give him credit for everything, including knowledge -- Christ cannot be fully god without being fully god, after all. And being fully god would include knowing the details of god's plans.

    So, his admission that he does not know is pretty damn troubling for your position. If he isn't fully god, then he's just some schmuck (one of hundreds, actually) walking around the land preaching to the gullible. Indeed, this is just the sort of problem you'll have whenever you try to pick quotes out of the Bible, even the words of Jesus are contradictory. He says no one knows but the Father in one passage, then says that he and the Father are one. Well, which is it? (Of course, he backtracks only a few verses later and makes no claim of specialness.)

    And of course the Bible tells the slaves that they aren't really slaves. What better way to control the masses is there than to give them the false hope that they are free of bondage when the truth is that they are anything but? The icing on the cake comes when you convince them that being meek and mild is a virtue and the way to a great reward. The chains of bondage formed by the mind are stronger than any that could be forged of iron.

  • FreeThinker 3 years ago

    Sorry Cody, your Christian dogma is quite clear on this: God did NOT create the world "out of pure nothing". After all, Genesis 1:2 states:

    "And the earth was without form..."

    See, "the earth" already existed - it was just without form (i.e. in a chaotic state). I'm not making this up; it is accepted Christian dogma. (Go ask a professional theologian.) In fact, some Christian sects see your "ex nihilo" assertion as *so* wrong, *so* unfounded in scriptural authority that they label it a heresy.

    It was a nice try, though, attempting to convert the heathen by quoting the Bible. Yeah, that's sure to work. Right?

    Finally, I think we should all give thanks to those nameless Roman soldiers who "killed" Jehovah's "son". Since then, that insanely oppressive deity no longer demands that we sacrifice animals for the expiation of our "sins". Jeeze, what a relief!

  • taco 3 years ago

    The difference between Christ and Odin? We can prove Christ existed. Maybe we have the name wrong, but he did exist in human form and it is documented and not in mythological form. Roman historians of the time document him and some of his acts. Josephus and Tacitus both mention him in life form. Comparing someone who walked Earth in human history to a mythological god seems like a waste of time.

  • Profile picture of Andrew Kennett
    Andrew Kennett 3 years ago

    Except, of course, that these mentions are really about the Christian movement, and not about Jesus. These writers are relaying tales about the alleged followers of Jesus and re-telling their stories While this is excellent evidence for a burgeoning Christian community, it is not particularly strong evidence for Jesus.

    But that's beside the point. Even if we concede that there was a historical Jesus, that is not at all evidence that he was the same rabbi spoken of in the gospels (or that that particular person ever existed). Even more, it is not at all evidence that he was the son of a god, nor a god himself.

    The character in the Bible is nothing more than a mythological god, just like all the others ever created by man.

  • Valkyrja 3 years ago

    Who gives a shit? Odin > Jesus. Nowhere in this is there an argument as to which god is more real or not, just which one is cooler.

  • Anonymous 3 years ago

    agreed

  • agnostic 3 years ago

    before you publish something, please research the faith system you are attacking.

  • Profile picture of Andrew Kennett
    Andrew Kennett 3 years ago

    Anything in particular you'd like to address, or are you just trolling for the fun of it?

  • Posting 3 years ago

    Dear Andrew Kennett,
    I thought I would let you know that I really enjoyed your article. However the reason I am commenting is that I appreciate that you follow up on the posters. I enjoy seeing you validate your argument and essentially mine as well. Oh and wonderful job calling out the troll.

  • Tulip Mama 3 years ago

    I have to agree with the fellow above me. While I did enjoy reading your article (and think that the idea of God V. God would make an excellent television show), I enjoyed reading your returns to the comments even more. Good show sir, I hope you continue being quite impressively awesome.

  • Richdude 3 years ago

    Since I accepted Odin as the real God, I have experienced sharp rise in my success.

    Also no prayers or anything. the shere ass-kicking in life is good enough present to Odin, whose loyal warrior you have now become.

  • Anonymous 3 years ago

    i belive that the creator of all named (GOD ) still has no NAME .Once you start to give names to God, then we start to been particular about one race or creed or whatever you want to belived therford the CREATOR ( GOD ) HAS NO NAME. TKTS.

  • Triple Ayes 2 years ago

    Actually, if you watch tagged 5 facts of Aron Ra on YouTube. He reveals that in his genealogy is the record of one named Odin and his wife Freya. So there is some evidence granted heresay evidence, that Odin did exist as a normal man whom the stories are probably based on.

  • Rose 9 months ago

    My God wins, yay!

  • albert 7 months ago

    Odin was a finite and contingent creature, subject to human passions like you and I. Jesus is passionless, and creator of the cosmos. In Christian theology, he is God in human form. The author of this article misrepresented the Christian position. There is absolutely no evidence Odin ever existed. But Jesus is rooted in real history. Lastly, these are not myths from ignorant people. Human beings used to be smarter, larger and stronger. We are deteriorating as a species, and getting weaker, dumber and smaller.

  • Euthymios 7 months ago

    Andrew, your question about who Jesus was praying to on the cross if he was God, shows your ignorance of Christian theology. As God the Son, he prayed to God the Father. This is called the doctrine of the Trinity. You should have known this. Since you were ignorant about such a fundamental point of Christology, in all probability you are ignorant about many more things of the Christian faith.

    Sure, God could have forgiven us from Heaven. But his death on the cross was an expression of his love.

  • Anonymous 7 months ago

    It is NOT scholars who promote the pagan-parallel thesis, but only ignorant and uneducated teenage atheists. Read, "The Gospel and the Greeks," by Nash; "Shattering the Christ Myth," by Holding; The Riddle of Resurrection," by Mettinger.

  • Anonymous 3 months ago

    Please provide your proof that Odin does not exist. My good friends who are Odinists will disagree (and yes, I do have some).

    Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I submit that Odin's existence cannot be proven (and neither can God's) UNLESS they CHOOSE to reveal themselves within our universe since gods exist outside the closed system of the universe. Anything outside the universe cannot be proven and it is the height of arrogance on your part to claim otherwise.

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