John Rohner provides an update on their motor, which would cost about as much as a regular motor, but would use virtually no fuel. They're in process of preparing manufacturing lines for when they're ready to begin mass producing, though they're still early in the testing phase.
 The PlasmERG motor design. |
John Rohner's group is working on a noble gas motor in the tradition of the Joseph Papp engine, that they say runs on a plasmic transition process, which is a non-radioactive type of nuclear energy. Just a tiny amount of cheap, inert fuel would last for a year of continuous use. And the motor itself apparently would not be very expensive either.
The following are three emails he sent me today giving an update on their progress, which he said I could post.
Part I
Well things are really heating up.
We can add California to Michigan and Indiana that want to give us free manufacturing space, tax credits, money, retooling costs and employment monies. So soon I will be turning all this over to someone to work out the fine details.
I am applying for more grants, as well.
Don, in China, has designed his own version of the motor hardware and is pursuing getting it ready to start up. Shaun, here in Iowa, and I have found a way to use stock Harley Davidson parts for the crank, connecting rods and pistons and we have found an Iowa Cylinder maker to make cylinders. So all the pieces we need for both test and early production motors are now found and available.
We decided to make sure there was a parts pipeline to support the next step past this one so we would not lose time between the generator demos and getting systems into the pipeline. This has taken more time and money than expected, but the delay will be months less. It is my opinion that the delay from show to delivery needs to be as short as possible to make things gel and get some cash flow.
From here, Shaun and Don are getting this done.
The first prototype of a test "standard" controller is now here, and Andrew will be stuffing my version next week. He will be substituting Freescale Processors for the Silicon labs I used and getting his board laid out and complete, so when we start testing we will have two controllers to handle the various tests.
Andrew and Haik are also interfacing with me on the next Critical Project.
[...] By Dec 1 we should be ready to start some engines. Jeez time runs fast when your so busy.
Part II
We now also have a co-developer, company, in China. They are working on a new experimental motor using more exotic building materials. A cross between Graphite and Thermoplastic for major parts: block, cylinder carriers, lower piston, etc. Their object is to make one that can be reproduced in heavy volume for less than $150 US. They have a contract with the Chinese for massive small generators.
We are also "buried" by States that wish to create a "farm electrical independence". That is a generator on each farm to service the farm and allow the power companies to remove the wires. I was surprised to find out that the power companies spend more maintaining wires to farms than they can make. I also think the price of copper may have something to do with it. To this end we are signing up companies wishing to make generators, in a state, so that once we pass the first "show" we have somewhere to assign the genset building and such. One of the biggies here is the California central valley. They want gensets and water pumps. As the man said, "anything to get away from the state".
We have enough parts suppliers lined up to get initial production through 5 months.
We have also test run a single cylinder motor. A true test motor for that will be built. The one we used was a clug of mixed parts put together just as a verification it could work.
We are waiting on our new test equipment. We ordered industry standard dynos to verify power. It may be the core for the 60KWH generator sets.
We have also totally verified the process that makes it all work. It is similar and very different from what Papp thought. The 1983 motor would never have made 1500 RPM as it was built. The cumulative reaction times would have caused it to fail.
Part III
(In response to a request for a photo)
The castings for the production motors are now final for molds but not built yet.
So no pix available from there.
The next group of test engines, for our research partners and co- developers in Canada are ugly. We learned a lot from the very first motor we did. It was pretty, but we were not prepared for the power out at over 1400 RPM (non of us believed the numbers either, we do now). So it broke quickly. Later analysis even showed the aluminum cylinder was ballooning, growing in the middle.
From that lesson we are building this set out of steel and cast iron and they are very tough but really ugly. The heads are held on with what we used to call "stove bolts" (long bolts outside the cylinder). The coils are in plain site outside the cylinder. The top of the block has a plexiglas cover to see inside. The block is made from 8 pieces of 1 inch steel plate bolted together with a sheet steel bottom cover. The flywheels and connecting rods are really modified new racing parts for a Sportster 900 HD motor. Reactor coils are individual thru a PC board to electrodes, with control electronics also there. A PCD web cam is attached to each head to monitor reactor chambers. AND no one worried about PRETTY. So a pix would be strange of that.
These are really test motors that will get lots of things thrown at them and have to live thru it. We have gas mixture that simulate higher power than the first one we used. So we are being careful.
The part that is "pretty" and is not changing is the reaction chamber and the ionizer. But, until the patent on these is complete we can not show pictures of it.
But if ugly will do we can send some pix in a couple weeks of the US- built test motors.
[...] The use of carbon fiber [on the Chinese motors] does make them very nice looking.
So [...] I really don't want to take pictures of non working motors, [...] and publish them as examples of something that might work, but never has. I prefer to do that once it is functioning in reality.
Even when the new castings and such get here it would be a bit as we get them assembled and tested.
Once we get a new heavy duty test motor together I could send you an "UGLY" picture. [...]
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Sterling - how much longer are you going to remain a stooge for John Rohner and Haik Bigalri. Almost a year later we have seen nothing and been shown nothing. Please, just one picture, one name. His grants are top secret, his diploma is top secret, his patent attorney's name is top secret, his business address is top secret, his plant doesn't exist, and the list goes on. He has mythical suppliers set up for mythical engines that he has never ran or tested or has he?? It changes in every other sentence(Is it real or is it Memorex). So far we have seen nothing but engineering cartoons. How about the name of the state contacts in California, Michigan, and Indiana; or pictures of his workshop. Are these also too ugly or some how too top-secret to reveal. This site is called the examiner so examine.
We welcome you to visit our plant and view the single cylinder testing and engine rebuilding we have underway. In addition, we have asked the U of Iowa to provide us with independant testing.
This article states virtually no fuel useage.
The other articles state they have a propietary fuel mixture for each size engine.
Can this be clarified?
As a student of the Papp engine for 30 years...and being at a demonstration on Oklahoma, USA...it was never possible to operate on no fuel.
The pistons blowing out the tops is due to unbalanced magnetic field strength...which can occur during a major storm.
I hope they have that issue stabilized.
As the team along with my brother Tom who built the Papp engine you apparently saw in operation in Oklahoma I would like to know more about you. I thought I knew most of the participants. I would appreciate it if you would go to rohnermachine.com and drop me a line so we can rehash the past. We have the process pretty well resurrected. We don't have any problem with heads blowing etc. but I would be interested in your theories in any event. Robert Hull, seems like I should know that name!
Bob. Contrary to your rant's, all over, and your ongoing harassment of me, and anyone in the Company, for which we have already had our attorney send you a notice, and your failure to understand patent law why would we tell you anything. You have no reason to know what, how or where we are doing anything. I see you are claiming the plant, owned by your wife with a $95K tax lien on it as "your plant".
I am sharing what I know and I am posting 3D engineering drawings, you call cartoons, I have modern information on my sites, not the SOS. Anyone that wishes to sign a NDA can see and know anything they wish.
I saw your "single cylinder" testing on your site. my guess is the chamber if full of water and the High voltage that jumps that 5 inch arc arc behind it heats it to steam. That is Progress for sure.
Every time you find out something you go harass or belittle it.
As a Company, you have caused us to be very "select" in who knows what. Grow up.
We Own The Technology. You scam.
Robert Hull.
You are right the wrong mix can be nasty, the wrong control parameters can be also over 1000 RPM.
Our software simulator, patent pending, has made that clear
and we have built safety sensors in and supplying the Controller data. Our controller, as seen on www.plasmiccontrol.com, is a very sophisticated multiple Microcomputer Electronic Control System, also patent pending, can sense many points to provide the safest Motor. We actually over designed and built the controller to ensure a fail safe environment. It will tell you when you are low on fuel, Plasmic Transition process was too short and a host of other safeties. Reliability is a top concern.
We were asked by the FAA if we could "certify" the motor would not fail for a electronic control reason. We have sensors monitoring critical points, also. The problem you speak of is controlled by the system by monitoring voltages and adjusting the DC to DC converters to compensate. We do not use Host Voltage for Motor use.
Dr. John of Top Secret PhD MIT Fame
All I asked was that this Examining site verify even one thing that you claim to have done. Now you have added the Federal Avaition Adminstration to your list. Between it and about twenty states, the army, the navy, the marines, the NSA, the FBI, your PhD from MIT, BAEE, MSEE, your 100,000 sq ft plant in Canada, China, Korea, numerous universities, and lots of grants, I thought the examiner could verify just one thing as true. Better yet you could provide the Examiner with any sort of proof that the engines you have built, tested, and blown up with your "fault proof control system" have ever really existed.
We have a real plant in West Liberty, You can touch it, it is there, taxes due and all. One of your investors states: "I have been communicating with your brother John, and have decided that you Bob, are correct. Seems as though John's address is an empty lot. Don't know what to say Dr. John. Is there a 100,000 sq-ft test facility or not??
Little brother, again you make reference to things I did not say. Everyone knows I have "patent pending" & you have nothing. So, I must know something you don't.
YOUR "production facility", does the office building have a roof yet or is it still open to the sky? Yes, you have a place until the taxman, or your wife gets mad at you, a garage would be better.
Any approved investor that wishes to see our facility can. NOT in South English. Ours has a roof, working bathrooms, heat & air conditioning. Sorry but only those with the company know of it, or anything else. YOU have no NEED to know!
Now we've caught you in another lie, like having a copy of our Provisional patent. You said "One of your investors states: "I have been communicating with your brother John, and have decided that you Bob, are correct. Seems as though John's address is an empty lot." (a PO Box!)
But, I see no name.
Post the name, lil brother, so the we can check on that.
It's just another of your usual
Dr. John
"My Little brother Bob has belittled the provisional patent that we already have filed." Did you say this Dr. John?? Yes or no??
Am I lying about this or not? It's always misdirection with you isn't it, never a straight reply. Do they have a special smoke and mirrors course you completed to get your top secret PhD in Physics from MIT? Perhaps this was one of the physics courses you told penny gruber you taught at which university??
""My Little brother Bob has belittled the provisional patent that we already have filed." Did you say this Dr. John?? Yes or no??"
YES and You did and YOU Continue to do so. So what?
You are my Little Brother BOB. SOOOOO.
Let's have the name & the number off their Stock certificates to prove your statement, little brother.
I can't wait for you to TRY prove that statement.
It must be strange for a scammer to be so scammed.
Come on Bob let's here about your supposed "Investor".
That is the best fantasy story to date..
Anyone with stock has a Special Number on the Stock Certificate as a reference against our Corp books to validate the certificate.
PROVE you talked to anyone outside your own head by publishing the number and name.
This is as good a fantasy as you saying you have a copy of our provisional Patent.
What a hoot..
Nice try lil brother.
You opened that bag now tell us all it is NOT a LIE.
WE AWAIT......
This is one you can't worm out of.
You must prove
Dr. John
I stand corrected, I should have said potential investor and I can not reveal his name without permission. I have many more similiar emails. Please accept my apologies. Normally, it's standard for a real business to have a real address.
Now, you say above, "We learned a lot from the very first motor we did. It was pretty, but we were not prepared for the power out at over 1400 RPM " Is this true?? You have physically ran a motor to destruction using your fail safe electronic control?? Yes or No?? You "have also ran a single cylinder motor"?? Yes or No?? Not simulations but actual operations, right?? The same lightning and steam process you describe on your web pages right?? And you used an aluminum cylinder right?? Now you are using steel and iron and your Chinese friends are building with plastic, right?? Interesting!! Can we have the name of your FAA contact also??
"Please accept my apologies."
Ok Bob, we all knew it was just another of your Lies. You do make up a lot of things.
"many more similar emails."
Post them with sender Email then..... Or is that another Lie. You really have no clue about my "investors" and I know it. I've NOT asked for "Investors" Nor put on any LAME shows showing a 26 year old motor using a technology that I don't have OWNERSHIP for, as you have.
"Normally a real address"
Hmm, a PO Box is used By Many very BIG companies, not be a good address in your mind. We know the physical addresses. That is all that counts, now. As In said before, Our shop has working toilets and a roof. Does Yours?
"power out at over 1400 RPM "
Since it was you who told me the Motor was 125HP, it was what the motor was designed for. I never thought you had no clue what the REAL HP was, after all your lectures to me about POWER. But
I was wrong. Should have known better than to trust you then.
"fail safe electronic control?"
No, it was more like the one you are using. We learned a lot since then and totally redesigned it.
No problems now.
"ran a single cylinder motor" Yes & not a simulation.
Papps "Ping Pong" to get a "Perpetual Motion Machine" Not withstanding. A quick examination of the characteristics proves it. Math was right. But we have the flexibility in the comtroller to do it if the OEM designer wishes.
"The same on your web pages right" yes
" aluminum cylinder? And it ballooned.
"with plastic?" No. They are using Modern materials.
"your FAA contact" Why would I do that?
You have NO NEED TO KNOW anything.
So We have a nice comfortable building to work in. We know where & anyone with a NEED to know would also and not some Dilapidated Hole in the ground that is called a "REAL Address".
Are you still working in what was, years ago, the front office.
Probably as there is no heat anywhere else. Only 1 million to repair it. Great facility.
G
So you spent alot of money building a pretty experimental engine and a fully functional patented fail safe controller to operate it. Then when it came time to test your equipment, you substituted our controller for yours and blew your pretty engine apart. Yesss, Siree, I can see the logic in all this.
Actually we made the mistake of getting in a hurry, trusting your information, to get a test system working, which it did, just not as expected.
It was not the Controllers fault, specifically. Now we understand the finesse needed & use a much more flexible system with tighter control parameters..
But I expect you know this, right. After all YOU discovered it or so you say time after time after time.
But watching your "historical" videos It seems rather different. Not what you see watching them.
What ran in 1983 had nothing to do with YOU, it was a triumph of TOM & Papp.
Very complex, very inefficient, but Tom & Tom Miller, who you never mention, did a good job at controlling it & Papp, from what I read, see & hear from people familiar with it, made it run while you twisted bolts. You need to look at your videos again, You were a mechanic. Joe & Tom did the thinking.
So I understand your questions. You need someone to tell you what to do, like in the videos.
But Your antiq
Thanks Dr. John, That's what I've been waiting to hear you say.
You used our information and your patented controller was no good. A double whammy. I will bother you no longer on this web site.
OK, Bob Glad to hear it.
I spent years asking you to define & patent the technology. You never did. You never knew how it worked but you "crowed" loudly that you did & you "discovered" it. You just failed to protect it. Now I DO know how it works, how to control it & I have protected it.
I am using MY Money, our designs, our parts, our IP & Not stealing someone else's. Like You.
You keep saying I stole from you but you have nothing to steal.
The simple controller I used was similar to yours in that it was simple, too simple it turned out. I did not use any of that old technology stuff. It was modern. Just too limited.
You keep saying the old controls worked. Sorry to disappoint you but show me one that exceeded 1200 RPM. My simple one was OK there, it was past that it fails. You may find this out someday.
You do have the advantage of not having to buy or make the hardware. Someone else owns it all & paid for it to be made 26 years ago. Your just "Borrowing" it.
Scam ?.
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