Imagine a pipe 21 inches wide spewing crude oil like a fire hose from what could be the planets' largest, high-pressure oil and gas reserve. With the best technology available to man, the Deepwater Horizon rig popped a hole into that reserve and was overwhelmed. If this isn't contained, it could poison all the oceans of the world.
"Well if you say the fire hose has a [20],000 psi pump on the other end yes! No comparison here. The volume out rises geometrically with pressure. Its a squares function. Two times the pressure is 4 times the push. The Alaska pipeline is 4 feet in diameter and pushes with a lot less pressure. This situation in the Gulf of Mexico is stunning dangerous." -- Paul Noel (May 2, 2010)
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Last night we received the following text in an email, author not identified. I passed it by Paul Noel, who is an expert in the field. His response follows thereafter. In calculating the gallons required to kill the oceans, remember that oil goes to the surface, where life is concentrated.
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The original estimate was about 5,000 gallons of oil a day spilling into the ocean. Now they're saying 200,000 gallons a day. That's over a million gallons of crude oil a week!
I'm engineer with 25 years of experience. I've worked on some big projects with big machines. Maybe that's why this mess is so clear to me.
First, the BP platform was drilling for what they call deep oil. They go out where the ocean is about 5,000 feet deep and drill another 30,000 feet into the crust of the earth. This it right on the edge of what human technology can do. Well, this time they hit a pocket of oil at such high pressure that it burst all of their safety valves all the way up to the drilling rig and then caused the rig to explode and sink. Take a moment to grasp the import of that. The pressure behind this oil is so high that it destroyed the maximum effort of human science to contain it.
When the rig sank it flipped over and landed on top of the drill hole some 5,000 feet under the ocean.
Now they've got a hole in the ocean floor, 5,000 feet down with a wrecked oil drilling rig sitting on top of it spewing 200,000 [gallons] of oil a day into the ocean. Take a moment and consider that, will you!
First they have to get the oil rig off the hole to get at it in order to try to cap it. Do you know the level of effort it will take to move that wrecked oil rig, sitting under 5,000 feet of water? That operation alone would take years and hundreds of millions to accomplish. Then, how do you cap that hole in the muddy ocean floor? There just is no way. No way.
The only piece of human technology that might address this is a nuclear bomb. I'm not kidding. If they put a nuke down there in the right spot it might seal up the hole. Nothing short of that will work. [See Paul Noel's ideas above.]
If we can't cap that hole that oil is going to destroy the oceans of the world. It only takes one quart of motor oil to make 250,000 gallons of ocean water toxic to wildlife. Are you starting to get the magnitude of this?
We're so used to our politicians creating false crises to forward their criminal agendas that we aren't recognizing that we're staring straight into possibly the greatest disaster mankind will ever see. Imagine what happens if that oil keeps flowing until it destroys all life in the oceans of this planet. Who knows how big of a reservoir of oil is down there.
Not to mention that the oceans are critical to maintaining the proper oxygen level in the atmosphere for human life.
We're humped. Unless God steps in and fixes this. No human can. You can be sure of that.
See also: Oil spill Much Much Worse than reported and Not Stopping Soon (Christian Science Monitor)
PREFACE: ALL NUMBERS GIVEN BY PAUL NOEL SHOULD BE TAKEN WITH A GRAIN OF SALT
Response by Paul Noel
for Pure Energy Systems News
I really do think that the situation is getting further and further out of hand.
By yesterday morning, the nature of the crude had changed, indicating that the spill was collapsing the rock structures. How much I cannot say. If it is collapsing the rock structures, the least that can be said is that the rock is fragmenting and blowing up the tube with the oil. With that going on you have a high pressure abrasive sand blaster working on the kinks in the pipe eroding it causing the very real risk of increasing the leaks.
More than that is the very real risk of causing the casing to become unstable and literally blowing it up the well bringing the hole to totally open condition. Another risk arises because according to reports the crew was cementing the exterior of the casing when this happens. As a result, the well, if this was not properly completed, could begin to blow outside the casing. Another possible scenario is a sea floor collapse. If that happens Katie bar the door.
Possible Fix
I do not see any good possibilities from humans further fracturing the rock particularly at higher levels. That is the cap rock that is holding the deposit together.
I do see a possible use of explosives for favorable outcome. If a properly sized charge were applied in a shaped fashion around the drill pipe at some distance from it say 5 feet or so it is entirely possible that an explosive charge could pinch the pipe off similar to a hydraulic clamp. The resulting situation would vastly reduce the spill. Once you clamped off the pipe much more substantially say down to 1 foot or less opening the resulting pipe could be charge cut above the location and a tapered pipe fitted to it to collect any leaking oil. The end result would be to contain the spill and dramatically control any leaks because drill mud could then be entered into the pipe fitted to the exterior. In the end, the pipe could be controlled that way. The size of a charge to do this would be a few pounds not megatons.
A nuclear detonation carries the real risk of giving us the full doomsday scenario on this well. I just don't like doing that. There is no coming back from the brink when you do that one. If it works, which I see as unlikely, great. If it doesn't work, there is now a maybe a hole 1/4 mile across leaking oil. That looks worse than any possible outcomes otherwise.
Oil Deposit Capacity
The BP people are not talking, but this well is into a deposit that easily could top 500,000 barrels production per day for 10 or 15 years. Letting that all go in one blast seems more than foolish.
The deposit is one I have known about since 1988. The deposit is very big. The central pressure in the deposit is 165 to 170 thousand PSI. It contains so much hydrocarbon that you simply cannot imagine it. In published reports, BP estimated a blow out could reach near 200,000 Barrels per day (165,000) They may have estimated a flow rate on a 5 foot pipe. The deposit is well able to surpass this.
The oil industry has knowledge of the deposit more than they admit. The deposit is 100 miles off shore. They are drilling into the edge of the deposit to leak it down gently to be able to produce from the deposit. The deposit is so large that while I have never heard exact numbers it was described to me to be either the largest or the second largest oil deposit ever found. It is mostly a natural gas deposit. That is another reason not to blast too willy nilly there. The natural gas that could be released is really way beyond the oil in quantity. It is like 10,000 times the oil in the deposit.
It is this deposit that has me reminding people of what the Shell geologist told me about the deposit. This was the quote, "Energy shortage..., Hell! We are afraid of running out of air to burn." The deposit is very large. It covers an area off shore something like 25,000 square miles. Natural Gas and Oil is leaking out of the deposit as far inland as Central Alabama and way over into Florida and even over to Louisiana almost as far as Texas. This is a really massive deposit. Punching holes in the deposit is a really scary event as we are now seeing.
Rig and Pipe Info
The pipe is a fairly rigid pipe and sticks up out of the Blow out prevention device for some distance before it bends over and kinks off. The distance is not long but is enough to do what I suggested. Explosive forming of metals is a standard technology and under water it is easier. The charge focuses very predictably.
Imaging a long straw that is 1 mile long and has kinked over in several locations. This is about what you have. I have seen the submarine photos from early on. Just a really big straw. It has about a 1.5 or 2 foot diameter drill pipe in the center with about a 10 inch hole down the center. I am not exactly sure on the drill pipe size. The casing here is very thick steel. It has to handle massive pressures.
The rig is quite some distance away from the well. It may be a 1/4 mile or more away. It sort of bent over and then kinked the pipe as it went down.
I guess the size here sort of bends the imagination. This rig has a deck area of about 3 to 4 acres. It had a crew quarters on board that had about 120 people in it. (Imagine a big hotel here.) The hotel on the rig was about 4 stories high. You just cannot imagine until you see these rigs how big they are. If you want to see one go to Mobile Bay. Gulf High Island 2 and other rigs in the area can be seen clearly for 90 miles from Pensacola Florida. The towers go up 1100 feet. You can take the ferry right between two rigs if you go from Fort Morgan to Dauphin Island. There is no comparison to these rig anywhere in the world. They are the biggest ever built bar none.
Controls That Should Have Been In Place
By the way, I am not against drilling it, I am just against doing so without proper controls.
- The rig that was drilling was not a US Flagged rig. That means US Inspectors were not allowed on board the rig to inspect it. As a matter of National Security under the GATT the USA has a right to demand US Only in various technology. The USA should never allow a foreign flag vessel to drill for oil in the US Economic Zone (200 mile limit).
- Acoustic automated shut of devices should be required.
- I think US Federal Inspectors should have to be resident on and inspecting rigs like this 24/7.
- I think that the drilling should be required to do some smaller holes that deliberately miss the main deposit that test the structure before main drilling operations happen.
- Careful procedures should be in place to set up wells before they hit the main deposit. The well casing should have to be inserted well before the drill hits the deposit and it should have to be cemented in at least 2 weeks prior to finishing the hole down to the oil or gas. This is to give the cement time to set. The casing should have ridging to make this cement have a tight wedged grip on the miles of rock around it. This is required because the lift pressure on a pipe in this case could easily reach 20 million pounds of lift. This is an insane amount of up pressure. Even at 70,000 psi it would lift about 140 million pounds. (almost 64,000 long tons!)
Haste from Economic Pressure
I suspect that the series of disasters we have seen in mines around the world and in the USA regards coal and oil are the product of pushing the crews and developments too fast due to the high economic pressures. This happened the last time (Sago and others) when the economic pressure started rising.
The economic pressures on the energy prices are stunning. Everyone is trying to keep their economy going. You can measure the economic output of a nation directly with the energy consumption day to day. The USA dropped its energy consumption in the current downturn (depression) by about 24%. It is now rising again. We are about 19% down and rising. The current situation is that the developments in oil/gas and coal are not keeping pace with what is going to be the demand shortly. They cannot even hope to meet the demand.
This is why I said that Alternative Energy is the only hope.
They can push the pedal to the metal (figuratively speaking) and there is not going to be a speed up much. Since human demand is going to force increases in supply towards 3 times the current level in less than 30 years, we are looking at a big hole with no hope of fixing it.
Air pollution world wide is reaching levels that are at the limits of the environment to take the demands. This increase in energy has to come from somewhere else.
Nuclear power doesn't have the potential. It turns out to run out of fuel in about 30 years. Worse yet solving the problem with nuclear doesn't do anything but boil away scarce fresh water supplies. All combustion does this. The only solutions are ones where the energy comes from somewhere else. Solar and Wind are good options. As you are also aware, the hard core alternatives are there in magnetic power etc. This has to come.
The alternatives to drilling US Waters for oil if we solve this with oil are to depend more and more on hostile powers for oil. Funding your enemies is insane. Drilling in US waters risks ever increasing threats of what we have going on right now.
The collapse of rock structures is even more scary. Mexico has one entire state that is being held up by nitrogen injection wells that would sink if that gas is released. This is not funny stuff. I know I get punched by the "know nothings" out there with political agenda, but I will risk it. If you will note the Oil and Gas people pretty much don't say anything against me. They know. I have been to some of their events and they actually like what I have to say. They cannot say it for fear of their jobs.
If one estimates the cost of a barrel of oil from the Middle East, the US Armed Forces cost added in would drive it to about $2000/barrel. If people paid this at the pump they would be demanding what I say with force so high you couldn't hear anything else. If you factor in the cost of spills and such domestic oil probably costs $500/barrel or more. This is just insane.
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Paul Noel, 52, works as Software Engineer (as Contractor) for the US Army at Redstone Arsenal, Alabama. He has a vast experience base including education across a wide area of technical skills and sciences. He supplies technical expertise in all areas required for new products development associated with the US Army office he works in. He supplies extensive expertise in understanding the Oil and Gas industry as well.
Born in Lynnwood Washington, he came to Huntsville Alabama, when his father moved to be part of NASA’s effort to put men on the moon. Neal Armstrong may have gotten the ride, but his father’s computers did the driving.
Paul is also a founding member of the New Energy Congress.
Related Coverage
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What They're Doing (Follow-up)
Al Jazeera looks at what engineers are facing in trying to stem the flow of oil. (YouTube; May 01, 2010) |
- BP to try unprecedented engineering feat to stop oil spill (CNN; May 4, 2010)
- Picture becoming clearer on BP Deepwater Horizon incident - BP said on Sunday that the GSF Development Driller II will drill a second relief well on the Mississippi Canyon 252 block. GSF Development Driller III spudded the first relief well on May 2. Discoverer Enterprise, also on location will work on containment. Oil flows from the end of the riser, the end of the drill pipe and a crack in the riser. BP sheared off the drill pipe and will install a valve in the next one or two days. This will stop one of the three leaks. (Gerson Lehrman Group; May 3, 2010)
- BP spuds relief well - BP said it spud the first of two planned relief wells to intervene in the Macondo exploration well that is leaking an estimated 5000 barrels per day into the US Gulf. The effort is expected to take at between two and three months, Suttles confirmed. (Upstream Online; May 3, 2010)
- Deepwater.com/.../Development-Driller-III...
Additional Links
- BP.com - company website | May 4 Press Release
- Deepwater Horizon.pdf - brief history and photos of fire.
- Million gallons of oil a day gush into Gulf of Mexico - Interviews with surviving Deepwater Horizon rig workers show how explosions led to what may be the world's worst oil spill (Independent; UK; May 9, 2010)
- http://www.state.nj.us/dep/watershedmgt/waterbook_chp10.htm - Motor Oil: "One part per million (1ppm) can make water unsafe to drink; 35 ppm can produce a visible oil slick that damages aquatic life, including fish and shellfish; and 50 ppm can foul a wastewater treatment plant."
- Leaked report: Government fears Deepwater Horizon well could become unchecked gusher 30 Apr 2010 'The following is not public' document --A confidential government report on the unfolding spill disaster in the Gulf makes clear the Coast Guard now fears the well could become an unchecked gusher shooting millions of gallons of oil per day into the Gulf. "The following is not public," reads the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Emergency Response document dated April 28. "Two additional release points were found today in the tangled riser. If the riser pipe deteriorates further, the flow could become unchecked resulting in a release volume an order of magnitude higher than previously thought."
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Other forums that have picked up this story include:
See http://www.google.com/search?q="Mother+of+all+gushers" (10,800 and counting)
- AboveTopSecret.com/forum/thread567266/pg1
- DemocraticUnderground.com/...&address=389x8259665
- GodlikeProductions.com/forum1/message1053829/pg1
- goldismoney2.com/s...3903-Mother-of-all-gushers-could-kill-Earth-s-oceans
- reddit.com/r/politics/comments/bzgev/mother_of_all_gushers_could_kill_earths_oceans/
- stumbleupon.com/url/pesn.com/...Mother_of_all_gushers_could_kill_Earths_oceans/
- abc.net.au/science/k2/stn/newposts/4645/topic4645868.shtm
- uknewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2010/05/mother-of-all-gushers-could-kill-earths.html
- mountainsageblog.com/2010/05/03/mother-of-all-gushers/ - includes a time lapse animation of the oil spill spread so far.
- Environmental-Balance.net/
- CureZone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1616182
- Forums.Hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=2751972
- Forums.MySpace.com/t/4777072.aspx...
- MyGeni.org/view/weblink.mygeni?wid=885
- vnboards.ign.com/ac_friends/b5258/113013315/p1/
- watchermeetup.50.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4954
- dprogram.net/2010/05/03/mother-of-all-gushers-could-kill-earths-oceans/
- linksalpha.com/link?id=mother-of-all-gushers-could-kill-earths-oceans-258977
- gazbom.blogspot.com/2010/05/mother-of-all-gushers-could-kill-earths.html
- geofinancial.blogspot.com/2010/05/mother-of-all-gushers-could-kill-earths.html
- alldeaf.com/...mother-all-gushers-could-kill-earths-oceans.html
- thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?p=1010909
- conservativecave.com/...
- hoanewsnetwork.com/...mother_of_all_gushers_could_kill_earths_oceans.php
- peopleforfreedom.com/.../mother-of-all-gushers-could-kill-earths-oceans/
- discernthetime.com/messageboard/showthread.php?p=27409
- openheaven.com/forums/...
- pub48.bravenet.com/(rapture in the air)
- perfectionist4u.blogspot.com/2010/05/mother-of-all-gushers-could-kill-earths.html
- landofthenotsofree.blogspot.com/2010/05/mother-of-all-gushers-could-kill-earths.html
- survivaltopics.com/forums/earth-love-leave/8761-mother-all-gushers.html
Other Links to This Story
- NaturalNews.com/028749_Gulf_of_Mexico_oil_spill.html - "Even the word "spill" is incorrect. This isn't some ship of oil that spilled into the ocean -- it's a "volcano" of oil spewing from the belly of Mother Earth herself. It's under extremely high pressure, it's spewing a huge volume of oil directly into the ocean, and there so far seems to be no human-engineered way of stopping it (short of setting off an underground nuclear bomb near the well site)."
- DavidIcke.com/headlines/33564-mother-of-all-gushers-could-kill-earths-oceans
- Snippits-and-Slappits..../mother-of-all-gushers-could-kill-all_04.html
- TheProgressiveMind.info/?p=37340
- RumorMillNews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=172411
- TruthOut.org/things-fall-apart59152
- FreedomsPhoenix.com/Feature-Article.htm?InfoNo=068322
- BackwoodsSurvivalBlog.com/.../mother-of-all-gushers-could-kill-earths.html
- TruthIsContagious.com/.../mother-of-all-gushers-could-kill-earths-oceans
- AbundantHope.net/.../Mother-of-all-gushers-could-kill-Earth-s-oceans_printer.shtml
- SurfingTheApocalypse.net/forum/index.php?id=237823
- Vorchester.com/vorchester/ - May 3
- Topix.com/forum/city/..
Contain the Upsurge: Free OilOn May 3, 2010; 9:45 am, Raphial Morgado phoned and said: It's going to take a long time to cap this at the source. Don't worry about that now. We need to figure out a way to turn a bad thing into good by harvesting the crude oil on the surface where it bubbles up. We should focus all our efforts on containing it there. Don't think of it as a clean up effort, think of it as a collecting effort. Bring all the tankers needed to pump it up. We can't allow this oil to float out into the wider sea. Invite all willing parties to come and pump it up: "free oil". |
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Verses of Interest
Revelation 8:9
A third of the living creatures in the sea died...
Ezekiel 32:14
Then will I make their waters deep, and cause their rivers to run like oil, saith the Lord GOD.
Actina Rig Blowout
On May 2, 2010, DaddyBare wrote:
This isn't the first time we lost a rig working under those kids of pressures
Offshore blowout involving Actinia semi-submersible oil rig, off Vietnam in February 1993. Compilation of footage from various helicopters, planes...
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Comments
If it is a five foot diameter pipe plug it with a five foot cone shaped plug.Weld up any leaks
Try a large wrecking ball
Why would we need a nuke why not a MOAB? Why would we want what is shaping up to be the worst eco disaster in history to be topped off with radio activity?
This is really scary!
This guy sounds a bit sensationalist. He's a software engineer, not part of an oil rig crisis team. I wouldn't trust this article anymore than a random post on a forum.
if 1 quart of oil makes 250,000 gallons of ocean water toxic to wildlife, and that wildlife gives us oxygen, how long might it be before we all turn blue in the face and drop over dead? let's take a look.
there are 346,000,000,000,000,000,000 gallons of water in the entire ocean. there are perhaps 200,000 barrels of oil per day going into it, 176 quarts per barrel means 8,400,000 quarts per day.
doing the math, it would take 400,000,000,000 days to get up to the level of toxicity mentioned above. or, maybe long enough for the sun to burn out first.
gargantuan as this catastrophe is, the ocean appears big enough to handle it. on a planetary scale anyway. undoubtedly there will be horrid consequences in the immediate region of the Gulf of Mexico.
the entire reserves of oil, 500,000 barrels per day for 15 years, comes out to 270,000,000 barrels. dumped into the ocean all at once makes it 1 quart of oil per 720,000,000 gallons of water.
This guy is an idiot. No real facts here
No big deal??? Tell that to people living in the Gulf Coast and to all the animals it kills.
THE ABOVE COMMENTS WRITERS SEEM TO HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT THE AUTHOR SAID THE OIL ONLY NEEDS TO SPOIL THE SURFACE OF THE OCEANS,
NOT THE 99.99% BELOW.
There are so many errors in the proposed scenario that I lost count. The real situation is bad enough without ignorant and baseless embellishment. For openers, the rig is NOT on top of the well, it's offset quite a distance. And there is a blow out preventer (BOP) on the well still in place, problem is, it doesn't work properly. You can see a Coast Guard diagram here:
tinyurl (dot)com/3xoatzc
And it was not excessive pressure which caused the breakup of the rig, it was a gas explosion and fire. For authoritative information, try the photos and discussion direct from the Coast Guard on their flicker feed:
tinyurl (dot) com/2d3d4ja
Here is an image of the BOP *after* the explosion while an underwater unmanned vehicle (ROV) is trying without success to activate it. The discussion below the image is also interesting. This idiot site won't let me use real URL's. Anyway look for data, not bullshit
I might add that using a high energy device on the well such as a MOAB or a nuclear weapon would be most likely to greatly enlarge the hole, start a massive fire on the surface above the leak, and generally make everything much much worse. How about just letting the people who know how to fix such disasters do their work? And how about new laws for financial responsibility and liability and prevention for the future?
This is fixable. Don't forget the horrible fires in Kuwait Saddam Hussein started and that they were all eventually put out and the wells were capped.
Wait for the final solution,Then lets see the political fallout.I think we might hear that the US think its not acceptable for Cuba to drill for oil because of the threat of a similar blowout.
While this is certainly a disaster, it is not going to "destroy" the oceans. It will harm them yes. But we do have one thing going for us. It's called "the sun". That sun has the incredible property of being able to break down organic compounds, which is what oil is.
And even more amazing, the quick spread of this oil slick actually *helps* the sun do that job. It's not going to be all better tomorrow, but the disaster scenario is just not going to happen.
Let me add a little PS here. This is exactly the kind of story that makes me hate the internet. Anybody with a keyboard and an opinion can talk to the world, no matter how uninformed that opinion is. The author of this blog didn't even do the math. He didn't do anything but use scare tactics. Tactics completely unrelated to the facts.
Be critical of what the oil companies say about this. But be critical of everyone else too.
To maryyugo: Most of what you said is fine. However, the LAST thing we need (or want) are new laws; it's the tremendous amount of law and regulation that got us into this mess in the first place. It's those very laws which create the giant quasi-government entities and raise the barriers of entry to all the potential players in a marketplace. What we absolutely need to do is remove the laws and regulations, not create more.
Great Coverage of the story.
I think instead of pointing fingers or worrying about political fallout. Everyone needs to go to the Gulf shores and spend a day at the beach while the oil washes up on shore. Yeah, you heard me...
Bathe in the oil, get that black all over each and everyone. Let's bathe in the stuff that the USA was built on. The stuff that fuels not only our cars,homes; but the stuff that fuels the hearts of America!!
As it leaches through our skins and the boils form, as our inner systems shut down from the toxicity, do you think it will cross our minds that we shouldn't even be using this stuff anymore?
Nope!! We'd run and clean ourselves with even more oil by products... Human Beings are a sad race... we're all guilty.... we will all pay
Wow. The facts in this are so wrong, I don't even know where to begin. First, the rig is not on top of the hole. Things fall at angles. This one did to. It's hundreds of yards from the hole. Second, Yes, this is an ecological nightmare, but it's not the end of the world. Breathe.
Thirdly, don't write as a scientist if it's not your field of science. The Examiner should be ashamed putting out this crap.
i agree with most all posters. something is wrong with Sterling & Co., he always seems bent on sensationalizing the utterly moronic. on his interview on the RBN broadcast with True Ott, he says we should listen to people with psychic powers concerning the future events. very looney-tunes.
i think he is sincere, but in that case, he must be an old Art Bell fan that went off the deep-end and became totally delusional.
Just sayin the nuke thing might work. It has in the past.
findit at trueslant.com/juliaioffe/2010/05/04/nuke-that-slick/
Its difficult for people to learn the truth, when it goe's against their programmed belief system. Every government is compiled of self servers, controlled and manipulated by the illuminate elite banksters. It doesn't matter which electrol party wins ((they are there)). ((Our universal connections)) within ourselves is generating ((rainbow aura's)).Its over for the Gregorian calendar of death. ((GOD IS IN US)) ((BE BLESSED))I am another yourself
I talked to one of my friends who is a Phd in Aeronautical engineering and who also worked on the Apollo program. He said the best bet is to hook a long cable to the sunken platform and an airbag to the cable. Then let the current do the work and drag the rig off the well. Then they could use this hat thing they are making, or they could weld a new chunk of pipe on to the existing casing that has a valve completely open while being welded. Then after the new chunk has been successfully connected, the valve could then be closed. Problem solved. This would be an awsome project to work on because it has to be fixed and the finances are no problem.
Has anyone called Red Adair yet? It is interesting to read your comments, Mr Noel. You paint us a very tragic scene in which the whole world will suffer. I read a comment above about the oil company, or whom ever, moving the big hat as they are building it to drop it over the leak. If you look closely at the very first pictures released of that big hat, it is already built and fully assembled. Yes, they appear to be making modifications or last minute adjustments to it, however, the fact remains it has already BEEN assembled. Was it built for this specific task? Maybe Mr. Noel can rangle the answer the from them. NASA funding has to stop. Why? We can't put out a house fire, can't stop a flood from wiping a house off the face of the earth, can't stop people from dying in a car crash, we can't even put out a forest fire when it threatens our homes, and we can't even contain an oil leak only 5,000' down. But, hey, let's go live on the Moon or Mars. Keep spending where it does no good.
Here's another thought for all of you with good brains. In 1986, in either Popular Mechanics or Popular Science there is an article about two scientist wanting to improve fuel mileage by atomizing air/fuel. The idea was two screens a certain distance apart would highly atomize air/fuel mixture. They finally found the correct size of screen opening and how far apart to set the screens apart from each other. This type of device can easily be installed in the intake manifold of any car of that time, with carburetor or fuel injection. They went to Chrysler. Guess what? They sold the rights of that screen technology to Chrysler and it now sits on a shelf. Any vehicle could easily get 40 m.p.g. using these simple screens. There are many fuel saving atomizing devices sittings on shelves of car companies and oil companies. We have had the technology for a vehicle to get 75 m.p.g. in the city for years now. But the plans for such fuel saving devices just sit on shelves and collect dust.
This article is pure fear mongering. Fact is, the oceans are *massive*, they are huge. This is not actually a lot of oil.It sounds like a lot of oil, but on the scale of things, it is not.
We will cap the leak. Actually this is good news for humans - it proves that there is a vast pressure of hydrocarbons that we can access. Cheap oil is coming soon.
Be happy, be positive, and stop living in fear!
If you assume that 1 qt. fouls 250,000 gals. of ocean, as the article says, with about 10 to the 20th gallons in the oceans, it would take a million gal/week spill 10 to the 9th or so weeks to foul the whole ocean (rough estimate). That's a lot of weeks. The question is, how much of the ocean is fouled before oceanic ecosystems collapse? It may be well before complete fouling! For sure locally!
Right now I am watching NASA TV, live pictures from the ISS. How beautiful we look from up there. Mr. Noel is correct, however. We have to stop learning to be dependent on fossil fuels for everything. More of us have to get involved. Mr Noel did not just "guess" at the figures he posted. He is a calculated guy who takes a lot into consideration when making a projection of the nature in his analysis in his comments above. OK, so it does not "do in" the whole ocean. How much ocean does it have to do in for it to be outrageous to some of you? Do you know how many people are already out of work due to this "little" spill as some of you think it is? ANY spill is TOO much spill. Mr. Noel, I work with the Title 24, Part Six form in California. Heck, I can't get the contractor or home owner, who's listens to the contractor, how important what they put into building their house, green products, is all important. What will people think when the poles shift polarity? All is not well, not at all.
Yes, but how deep will the layer of oil be, and what is the surface area of the oceans?
When BP lowered the device to cover the spill the device encountered crystals that kept the containment device from covering the oil leak. Could not some type of chemical lubricant or non stick substance be sprayed or powered coated onto the Hat to prevent the crystals from adhering to the containment device? Are the crystals forming due to chemical reaction or from cold/pressure? What is the chemical composition of the crystals? Are they being formed by pressure while being released through the vent shaft? Also, sound, or some ultra sonic device may be able to destabilize the crystals long enough from forming to lower the oil spill containment device over the spill. I am not a smart man however this could be an alternative to explosives. Could another pipe be lowered over the current vent pipe with the use of water and air pressure, would that at least negate the spill, causing a neutralizing of pressure until a permanent solution is brought to bear upon the leak? Just trying to help.
In 1990, I started promoting alternative energy to move the USA away from fossil fuel combustion. It looks like I was ahead of the majority of my fellow Americans. I guess it takes a major screw up in our own backyard before we all embrace clean energy.
I do believe that there are some major oil reserves in chatsworth. It is only a matter of time until we tap into this oil pool. I believe a great place to drill would be variel and san jose.
The man with the plan,
rb is correct. We got into this by destroying our public transportation (reference the bus lines of Minnesota, MN the last to go) so the powers-that-be could get rich on cars. Financing cars, maintaining cars, gasing cars, insuring cars, you get the idea.
I am elderly & widowed, but I take issue with Paul's charge that we should not 'be enriching our enemies.' Respectfully, I disagree. When there is a see saw world economy, the parties will never enjoy the ride unless there is parity, up and down for all. They have oil to sell, we are buyers.
Think about this: 5 years ago we were the world's biggest buyers of cattle & the 2nd largest exporter of cattle. We pumped up herbals and now we sell ginko grown in NC and pomegranate grown in CA. We sell corn to the nation that is home to corn. They buy but are they buying willingly and it does matter.
A previous writer rb starts with: Right now...... How much more now is right now?... An absolute stupid phrase.
I was talking to a friend who works as a diving supervisor around the world on the largest and most dangerous platforms there are. When discussing this event he first said 5ft pipe? what are they talking about? a drill pipe is normally 4inches. He also said that oil coming out of the well head always has sand in it, which is why there is a sand collector. A lot of the information being used to scare people is actually quite normal. FALSE FLAG is starting to look very likely. GW no longer in power but still screwing up our world!
Haven't you ever heard of the Gulf War Oil Spill, you poor bastard? Approximately five times as much oil was spilled than what is currently in the gulf, and 800 miles of the Saudi Arabia coast were left untouched by clean-up efforts. This is an absolute environmental disaster, but in case you're wondering... a nuclear device is the wrong way to go.
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