The ongoing battle between the Conservative government by the opposition leaders of the Liberals, NDP and Bloc Quebecois over Afghan detainees rights makes many wonder whose interests are best being served? Is it the opposition parties looking for political brownie points in order to bring down the government or giving the Taliban notice that they can rely on our human rights as a society to protect them to fight another day?
One wonders if a politician had their own son or daughter over there fighting to stay alive or dying in Afghanistan would march to a different tune? A tune in which a Taliban's dial tone from a cell phone determines the fate of a Canadian soldiers best before date!
The military have a saying, "If you are not behind us, you are most welcome to stand in front of us".
The Liberals, NDP and Bloc Quebecois represent Canadians as well, Canadians who have family currently serving in Afghanistan, how come they are not speaking for us, but seem to always enjoy speaking for the terrorists?
Have the Liberals, NDP and Bloc Quebcois asked the families of the slain sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters who served in our Canadian armed forces, including those who serve(d) over there what their take is in all this, perhaps just to get a better perspective? A better perspective would be a fact finding mission for all of them to fly to Afghanistan and ask the bereaved civilian who have lost countless family members by the Taliban who routinely blow up elementary schools, or kill indiscriminately. Certainly there are two sides to any story. The Taliban even have their own side of the story.
The Taliban, 25,000 strong, could have a meet and greet with our Canadian opposition parties over there, though a cap on ransom demands must be established first. This in case the Taliban decide to make them their featured guests, permanently.
Canadian troops have a difficult task trying to determine who is the enemy and who is friendly as the Taliban fighters dress the same and blend into the populace, with no identifying markings who they are. Canadian soldiers are not that lucky. The Geneva convention I,II, III for soldiers in combat only applies to Canadian soldiers, which the Taliban clearly ignore.
When Canadian soldiers are in a firefight in a village, the danger to them is threefold. The Canadian soldier is easily identifiable by their uniform, the Taliban are not.
A Canadian soldier hesitating to shoot in a firefight can never tell if that person is friend or foe when the populace dress alike. That moment's hesitation means the difference between that soldier coming home alive or in a body bag. The Taliban on the other hand never have to worry about such trivialities, they shoot anyone who crosses in front of their gunsights. Advantage, Taliban 1, Canadian soldier 0.
The Taliban, if outnumbered in a firefight, discard their weapon, blending into the faceless crowd, knowing the Canadian soldier will not shoot indiscriminately and voila, the Taliban live to fight another day. Advantage, Taliban 2, Canadian soldier 0.
Canada's role in the transfer of prisoners under the 1949 Geneva convention "prisoner of war treatment" though the Taliban are not recognized as soldiers in the traditional sense were to be brought to the ruling Afghan government. The Afghan government signed an agreement with Canada the Taliban detainees would not be tortured and humanely treated, with all the rights accorded to prisoners under the Geneva convention IV "Civilians in time of war".
Canadian troops do not have a sound local knowledge of the culture or coming and goings of the Afghan people, especially when tribes are so widespread from Afghanistan and Pakistan.
For Canada to ensure each and every detainee were treated humanely would require Canada to guard these detainees at the Afghan prison. Canada's military role is not as a jail guard. Pulling a soldier as jail guard leaves one or more civilians or a fellow soldier without protection this soldier could have provided. If the Red Cross or Geneva convention officials feel so strongly, perhaps they can insist on a permanent presence at the prison, somehow I doubt they relish being put into harms way as Afghan prisons are known as targets by the Taliban who do not follow the rules of not kidnapping or killing Red Cross workers or Geneva convention officials.
Canadian and U.S. troops not knowing local friend from foe, handing over prisoners to a government or their military makes good sense when it was agreed beforehand prisoners would be treated humanely. This act allows the Canadian soldier to do what they were intended to do, protect the greater good from being killed by the Taliban, such as innocent men, women and children who also have a hard time distinguishing friend from foe. That is the intended purpose of the Canadian soldier.
It certainly seems crystal clear the Afghan government may not like having their sovereignty restricted by Canada, Geneva convention, Red Cross or anyone telling them what they can and cannot do with detainees, that includes method of interrogation. International pressure being directed at Canada for the atrocities conducted by a foreign government certainly gives the Taliban the advantage once again. Taliban 3, Canadian Soldier 0.
Is the solution to have Canada build a prison in Afghanistan or Canada to guard detainees? Goodness, what a "Bullseye" that would make for our fighting sons and daughters all centred at one location, trying to protect not only themselves and the local civilians from a prison Taliban firefight, but the lives of the prisoners as ancillary casualties from the dozens of rocket propelled grenades that will rain down upon them.
One can be sure the Liberals, NDP and the Bloc Quebecois, armchair military strategists all, would be safe at home out of gunshot range knowing Canadian troops gave their lives to uphold their misguided beliefs of ensuring the safety of prisoners over civilians. A stretch perhaps? But if one is to ensure humane treatment of prisoners, what other recourse is there, but to guard them with our own troops?
Perhaps Canada could have it's own Gitmo, a Canadian defence lawyers nirvana, tying up Canadian courts for generations to come, with a bullseye for politicans, special interest groups, terrorist organizations at home and Canadian taxpayers alike.
Should Canada redirect it's energies and begin a putchz of the Afghan government in order to satisfy the rules of engagement? The Geneva Convention would have something to say about that, not to mention Canada would now be fighting the Taliban, Afghan forces and their allies.
The Geneva Convention, the Red Cross with all it's good intentions will never be able to enforce it's will on a third world soveriegn government, it didn't work in Vietnam and it certainly won't work with Afghanistan.
Will a 2011 troop pullout put an end to Afghanistan's torture and human rights violations? One can assume the NDP, Liberals and Bloc Quebecois think so, since it was the previous Liberal government in 2001 who entered into this war in the first place and human rights violations under their watch was just as prevalent.
There is a reason why it is called "War is hell" and the Canadian pullout in 2011 cannot come soon enough.
Calling for the resignation of Defence Minister MacKay and the slandering of the Conservative government and the men and women who are fighting for the freedoms, based on the actions of a clearly corrupt Afghanistan government is akin to placing blame on the Canadian people who clearly had good intentions in helping prevent the oppression and killing of innocents in Afghanistan as well, but are limited to dealing with the lesser of two evils.














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Barry this is an excellent article and addresses some of the issues concerning this issue. As far as I am concerned it is much about politics and nothing to do with reality.
Soldiers are engage in battle and as a consequence they end up with detainees. These detainees must be searched, tagged and then send back to company headquarters and from there to Battlegroup Headquarters.
As an aside, they are also required to ensure the wounded Taliban are taken care of and not treated any different than our own. I recently read a book by Captain Ray Wiss, M.D. "Doc FOB"
He talks about how impressed he was with our 20 some odd year old young infantry soldiers. Despite seeing their buddies body parts and dead buddies, the show professional restraint and treat the Taliban within the Conventions.
The political crap with Keith Martin of the NDP and the now Liberal ex Premier of BC should stop. This is not a chess game, it's for real and yes, the Taliban do kill anyone in their w
Thank you for your comments, certainly armchair warriors have no place in deciding how, where and when to act during wartime. Canada as far as I am concerned carried out their duty transferring prisoners, what the Afghans did was atrocious but Canada should not be blamed by the acts of others who acted contrary to their original mandate.
The Geneva convention is in fact normally adhered to because not because the over side does not recognize its condition on purpose or lack of understanding of what its conditions really mean. It shows a form of civilized moral standards on how to treat captured enemies by those that wish their forces to be treated if captured by their enemy.
When we view the Taliban we must understand that life has a much lower standard and value. They are hill tribesmen and not very educated the meaning being civilized and caring simply does not have the same values.
The point is soldiers are not meant to be cold murderous to unarmed captured enemy even if they are not so kind and accommodating to their own prisoners. Having been a soldier I fully understand why and when in service those where standards I expected and wanted to live by. Though it is hard to show restraint that restraint should be applied firmly its part of being civilized and not behaving worst than any animal.
Thanks for this excellent article: You have done a very good job of clarifying the issues and revealing the injustice of some people's assessments. In the US we also have much conflict and discord over the Afghanistan war issue, and Canada more or less reflects our own divisions of opinion. Nice work.
I think that with this article, Barry, you have physically moved anyone behind you right there to that front line. If they didn't get a good view while there, it is because they kept their eyes closed until their mommies told them to open their eyes.
Great article.
Good piece, as for this part:
"One wonders if a politician had their own son or daughter over there fighting to stay alive or dying in Afghanistan would march to a different tune"
I think it would definitely be a different tune...
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