A pleasure to have Kevin D. Randle with us here for the first time at Examiner. A double groovy pleasure to have him coming on The Church of Mabus radio show April 20th 11pm Eastern. His new book "Alien Mysteries, Conspiracies and Cover-Ups" is filled with great information and research about the UFO enigma. Visible Ink Press has done it again when it comes to bringing us great titles on UFOs and the paranormal. I hope you enjoy this interview. Presenting.
1. Would you tell our readers about your military background and your prime motivation in creating your newest book Alien Mysteries, Conspiracies and Cover-Ups?
KR: I served with the Army as a helicopter pilot in Vietnam. I took Air Force ROTC at the University of Iowa and was commissioned as a second lieutenant. I spent several years on active duty and in the active reserve as a public affairs officer and then an intelligence officer. In 2002 I joined the National Guard as a captain, served in Iraq and retired from the military in 2009 as a lieutenant colonel.
The book was created as a “brief history” of UFOs, starting with ancient sightings and moving on to sightings of today. I wanted a resource that would provide a look at where the UFO phenomenon is today but with a historical context that was easy to understand.
2. Could you share the story about the ancient Egyptian text Annals of Thutmose III that seems to correlate to the story of Ezekiel's Wheel? Do you think it is the same event?
KR: According to various sources, including research conducted by the University of Colorado during their investigation of UFOs, the story of Ezekiel’s wheel is remarkably similar to one that appears on an Egyptian papyrus. This predates Ezekiel by decades if not centuries. Of course, the problem is that the papyrus was lost when the papers of Professor Alberto Tulli, who did the translation, were scattered among his relatives after he died.
So, his translation of the papyrus remains, but the original document is gone, which means that his translation is open to question. Without the original document, it will always be suspicion.
3. What about The Great Airship of 1897? These airships stories are always pretty bizarre. What do you personally think about them?
KR: Jerry Clark and I disagree on this. He believes there was a solid core of sightings. I believe that there are not any good sightings. The sightings usually were of an object that was described as an “airship.” In many of the cases, the airship was seen on the ground and the crew on the outside, many times making repairs. They would say they were about to reveal their invention to the world or that they were on their way to Cuba to bomb the Spanish. Some were blatant hoaxes. Jerry Clark discovered that the Alexander Hamilton “calf-napping” was a hoax and Eddie Bullard found a newspaper report from 1897 in which Hamilton admitted the hoax.
The short answer is that I don’t believe there was anything to the sightings, other than hoaxes, jokes, hysteria and people just having fun. Jerry thinks it was predicated on some sightings of something truly unusual.
KR: Based on the twenty years of research I have done and based on the hundreds of interviews, including most of the officers on Colonel Blanchard’s staff, I believe that the best answer for Roswell is that it was extraterrestrial.
The Project Mogul explanation that seems to have achieved some kind of acceptance fails because there was no balloon launch that accounts for it. By misinterpreting the diary of the chief scientist on the project, they have come up with an explanation that seems to work. Of course, without a launch, and looking at all the evidence, it is clear that the only explanation that covers all the facts is an alien spacecraft.
5. How about the Mexico Aztec UFO crash? What can you share with us about this from your research?
KR: The story of Aztec surfaced in the late 1940s. It was originally told by Silas Newton and Leo GeBauer who were involved in a number of shady deals. A reporter, J.P. Cahn exposed the hoax in 1952. It resurfaced in the mid-1970s and was again exposed as a hoax. A number of long-time residents, including the man who was the sheriff it 1948, his brother and the editor of the newspaper all said it was a hoax. In 1986, a new book suggested that it was real, but the book held few new facts and too much speculation. Much of the information was inaccurate or misreported. Now there is a new book about it that is equally filled with speculation but little real information.
I have found little in the way of evidence for the crash, but much which suggests that it is a hoax. With no newspaper articles printed at the time, and with the long-time residents denying, with no documentation available, the only conclusion to be drawn is that it is a hoax.
6. Let's please get into the MJ-12 Documents and William Moore and others involved. It was stated they are fake and Moore seems to point heavily to specific people and UFO groups who are disinformation shills. What can you share about this then and now?
KR: The original claim was that Project Aquarius was the secret organization created to exploit the Roswell UFO crash. The elements of MJ-12 first appeared in the stories of Aquarius. All this appeared in an unpublished novel by Bill Moore and Bob Pratt with critical comment from a third but unidentified man. The single document submitted to validate Aquarius has been exposed as a hoax.
After all this, the MJ-12 documents, containing the same information surfaced. There is no provenance for them. They can be traced to Moore and no further. Moore with his friend Jaime Shandera released them into the public. It is fairly clear that Moore and his friends were the originators of MJ-12.
In what is known as the Eisenhower Briefing Document, there is a reference to a UFO crash near El Indio, Mexico in December 1950. This is a story told by Robert B. Willingham who claimed to be a retired Air Force colonel who had flown fighters. In the mid-1980s, when the Eisenhower Briefing Document appeared, many inside the UFO community believed Willingham’s tale because of his high rank. It turns out that Willingham was not an Air Force fighter pilot nor is he a retired colonel. His tale has been disproved as a hoax. If the Eisenhower Briefing document is what it is claimed to be, there would be no story of that crash in it because it was a hoax.
I haven’t mentioned that the Truman signature on the memo that accompanied the Eisenhower Briefing Document was lifted from another document meaning that it was forged. More evidence that the MJ-12 documents are a hoax.
Everyone who has anything to say in the UFO community is called a disinformation agent by someone. I have been accused of being a CIA agent and having worked with Project Blue Book. Neither accusation is true. Moore slings this allegation, all the while claiming that he worked with the AFOSI, which is simply untrue. Unless there is some evidence of this, it should be ignored.
7. Having a military background I am curious to your thoughts on drones currently. It seems the drone scenario in many regards has a great connection to the UFO agenda when it comes to government disinformation. A lot of UFO researchers don't even talk about drones. Everything is ET. How do you feel about drones connected to UFO phenomenon and discernment between the two?
KR: Drone scenarios don’t actually appear until recently and there is no evidence that drone sightings will solve any UFO sightings. I think drones are ignored because they have no real place in the conversation.
I do object to everything being ET. I think that many of us researching UFOs have solved cases. Chiles-Whitted, the pilots who reported a cigar-shaped craft in 1948, was most probably a meteor. But drones are a relatively new creation that are so small and fly so high that they are nearly impossible see from the ground, which is their big advantage.
Some UFO sightings are probably some of the older, secret aircraft such as the SR-71. But such things do not explain everything, especially when there are multiple witnesses who get a long look at the object.
8. How do you feel personally about aliens visiting our world or living amongst us perhaps on a multidimensional level? Is there anything you care share on your perspective regarding their agendas? Is it all bad or do you think there are many different beings with different agendas?
KR: While I believe that we have been visited, I do not believe they are living among us or actually interacting with us. I wouldn’t presume to speculate about their agenda. The evidence for visitation is quite persuasive, when you look at it carefully, but some of the other theories fall as you study this.
9. What would you like to share from the book for our readers that we haven't spoke about that you feel is significant? A joker wild card question if you will..
KR: I think we need to look at all the evidence but not embrace everything simply because we wish to believe, or reject everything because we know there is no alien visitation. When skeptics ask for evidence, I always ask what they want in the way of evidence. We have all of it, including some physical evidence such as landing traces. The purpose of the book was to look at it all, to provide a perspective about it.
One of the cases that is often overlooked is the series of sightings from Levelland, Texas made on November 2, 1957. Witnesses in at least thirteen different locations, independent of one another, saw the object, saw it land, had it stall their vehicle engines and dim their lights. Law enforcement officers were involved. Unfortunately in 1957, everyone was arguing about the reality of UFOs and no one bothered to actually gather evidence. The Air Force was fighting with NICAP and the witnesses were not all interviewed, and the possibility of a landing trace was ignored. The object did interact with the environment which is also important.
10. What are you up to next book wise and events wise and also any links you would like to share? I am highly looking forward to your appearance with us April 20th at The Church of Mabus radio show at 11pm Eastern. Thanks Kevin!
KR: The new book deals with government files and what can be found in them. It looked at what is considered the modern era of UFO sightings, but doesn’t begin with Kenneth Arnold in June 1947, but actually with the Foo Fighters of World War II and the Ghost Rockets over Scandinavia in 1946. There is evidence of US interest in all this and that unofficial investigations begin in this country before the official one began in 1948.
But it extends beyond the end of the official investigations and examines sightings that have taken place over the last thirty years, especially those that caused sensations such as the intrusions over nuclear sites and the pacing of aircraft.
Looking forward to the radio show.
About the book
Thoroughly investigated by a former Army officer and taken from his review of hundreds of historical and government documents and in-person interviews, this book chronicles more than 100 sightings, events, and discoveries of alien encounters, government conspiracy, and the influence of extraterrestrials on human events throughout history. From prehistoric UFO sightings, cave paintings, and ancient astronauts to modern sightings around the world, this book investigates claims of aliens living among us, abductions of humans to alien spacecraft, and accounts of interstellar cooperation since the UFO crash in Roswell, along with evidence of what the government knows and what it has covered up. This discussion of the government secrets, theories, and mysteries surrounding aliens is packed with thought-provoking stories and shocking revelations of alien involvement in the lives of Earthlings.
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