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Since it was announced that Manny Pacquiao's next fight would come against Antonio Margarito, many fight fans have been quick to criticize just about every aspect of the event.
Many don't believe Margarito deserves to be facing Pacquiao after his suspension, subsequent refusal to admit any guilt over the matter or recent performances. The catch weight of 150lbs is also a point of contention for some, and the fact that the announcement seems to be a poor second offering compared to the again abandoned bout between Pacquaio and Floyd Mayweather.
While catch weights are frustrating to some degree the nature of boxing today is such that weight classes are merely a number, and very rarely does a fighter outside the heavyweight division weigh the same on the night as they do at the weigh in.
Weight cutting has been a staple practice in many sports for decades, and unless fighters are weighed a couple of hours before they get into the ring, they aren't going to be anywhere close to the weight class that they are actually competing in. That idea throws up it's own problems though, and weight cutting doesn't look likely to disappear anytime soon.
Naturally larger fighters particularly adept at cutting weight can lose upwards of 30lbs before a weigh in, and put most of that back on before the bout. Some mistime the cut or try to lose too much weight, leaving them drained and dehydrated or unable to lose enough at the right time. Potentially entering the ring dehydrated is not only tantamount to rendering a fighter's chances of winning null and void, but also can be extremely dangerous to their health.
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Despite the health risks though some people are just naturally good at cutting weight, and can potentially outweigh an opponent by a huge amount on the night of the fight. UFC welterweight Anthony 'Rumble' Johnson for example has been known to cut 50lbs before fights, and dwarfs any other fighter in the division. He regularly walks around at around 220lbs while the MMA welterweight limit is 170lbs.
Why is any of this relevant you ask? Simply because in the case of Margarito and Pacquiao, one of the two of them will still probably enter the ring over the middleweight limit while the other will probably be closer to welterweight. The bout is being contested meanwhile for the light middleweight title, a weight neither will probably be that close to on the night.
This being the reality of the situation, is a catch weight really that much of an affront to the sport?
Not so much, and as the better known and higher drawing of the two, Pacquiao is entitled to demand a catch weight if his team believes it will be an advantage to him. Had Antonio Margarito been signed to a different promoter he might not have agreed to the catch weight, but then again given his problems getting big fights right now he probably would have. Which brings us neatly to the issue of in house Top Rank fights. Continue to part two
Continue to part two: Mayweather, in house fighting and Margarito's merit
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Harold West, Pittsburgh: "Everyone was expecting a catchweight, but it doesn't change the fact that Margacheato looked terrible in his last two fights and probably used loaded wraps for all his biggest wins"
Daniel Shipman, Philly: "On the scale of terrible fights, Margarito is above Cotto, Marquez or no fight at all but still below anyone else"
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the jr middleweight division's bracket weight is from 148lbs to 154 lbs as the upper weight limit. beyond 154 lbs is the middleweight div weight bracket. 154 lbs is the upper limit that a fighter fighting for the jr middle must not go over. it does not mean that is the only weight that jr middle must be fought. mr writer you should know more about boxing and clarify this issue with your readers and not confuse it some more.
I am just tired of Pacquaio gettin' called out by these so called bullies in the heavier division and pacquaio would meet them close to their weight division.Why cant they meet Pacquaio at 140lbs. where he's comfortable?? Why is it always Pacquaio meeting them halfway in regards to the weight?? You want Pacquaio and beat him and get big payday? Go down and meet him at 140lbs. Cause Pacquaio is bein' accused of "catchweight." Its Oscar dela Hoyas fault! He gave the bigger fighter an idea to face Pacquaio on catchweight and when they lose they blamed it on the "catchweight" and that they were drained! LOL!
Example Only:
Let say Pacquiao is at 147 lbs. and Paul Williams is fighting at 154lbs. and called out Pacquiao for a fight which is usually the case for Pacquiao now since he doesnt back down on fighting a bigger opponent.What if Pacquaio say fight me at 147 lbs. no "catchweight" or no fight at all since Pacquaio is smaller. If Paul Williams agreed and drained himself to make weigh
floydiots won't accept a fair fight.......they want pacman to be at a HUGE disadvantage against margarito.
they want margarito to break pac's legs so their little floyd won't be as scared in challenging pac again.
What if Pacquaio said to Margacheato to fight him at 140lbs which is a weight class no catchweight?
I am just tired of Pacquaio gettin' called out by these so called bullies in the heavier division and pacquaio would meet them close to their weight division.Why cant they meet Pacquaio at 140lbs. where he's comfortable?? Why is it always Pacquaio meeting them halfway in regards to the weight?? You want Pacquaio and beat him and get big payday? Go down and meet him at 140lbs. Cause Pacquaio is bein' accused of "catchweight." Its Oscar dela Hoyas fault! He gave the bigger fighter an idea to face Pacquaio on catchweight and when they lose they blamed it on the "catchweight" and that they were drained! LOL!
Example Only:
Let say Pacquiao is at 147 lbs. and Paul Williams is fighting at 154lbs. and called out Pacquiao for a fight which is usually the case for Pacquiao now since he doesnt back down on fighting a bigger opponent.What if Pacquaio say fight me at 147 lbs. no "catchweight" or
CATCHWEIGHT IS LEGAL FYI! MARGARITO IS NATURALLY BIGGER THAN PACMAN, PACMAN DOESNT WANT TO FIGHT HIM AT 147 WHICH MOSLEY DOES, HE PREFER AT 150LBS THEY WILL MEET HALFWAY! JUST THINK HOW HEAVY MARGARITO ON FIGHT NIGHT? 158-160LBS OR MORE, WHILE PACMAN REMAIN AT 150LBS OR LESS! NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY PACHATERS, REMEMBER THAT PACMAN IS WILLING TO FIGHT A MUCH BIGGER OPPONENT! UNLIKE YOUR FMJR, EVENTHOUGH HE GOT ALL THE ADVANTAGE BUT STILL, HE IS AFRAID TO FACE PACMAN ONCE AND FOR ALL! GODSPEED PACTEAM! HOPE THE FIGHT WILL BE HELD IN MEXICO SO ALL OF YOU PACHATERS WONT SAY ANYTHING AGAINST CONGRESSMAN PACMAN. ITS THE FACT, MAN!!!!
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Correct me if I'm wrong! CZ I remember that when Floyda vs. Juana fight @ welter weight, the limit weight was only 147lbs. & in the final weighing Juana was only 145 lbs. while Floyda has exceed to the limit of (2)lbs over @ 149, so who'se Cheating now??? the who agree @ catch weight? or those who over the limit??? Therefore! FLOYDA is The CHEATER!!! Shame on Him!!!
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@Pacquiao legacy of a Scumbag says:, GTFO of here with your destructive politics. you sound bitter man. your guy lost fair and square. resign yourselves to the fact the chiongians may never be back in politics should pacman do so well in serving the people of saranggani then they will vote back a pakyaw annointed. the chiongbians fcvked around and enriched themselves and didn't do squat for the people so what are you crying about?
I'll beat his F#$%#king ass, one dimensional fighter, midget, take my blood test and step to the plate Said Mayweather Jr. Pacman answer Yes! Floyd reply, I'll take my vacation / I'm not thinking about boxing! lol---------lol--------lol--------lol-----lol----wow!--Classic.
you hypocrite critisizers do your homework in history about catchweights issues,when leonard and Roy jones with catch weight they were the smaller fighter fighting bigger opponent and stepping up to the challenge,now the PACMAN is doing the samething are you guys playing stupid or just stupid,and yet when floyd cahallenge the smaller opponent and stepp up over the weight limit which he agreed on,who is the bigger and gutless cheater here,the smaller man with bigger balls or the bigger mouth with tails tucked between his legs.
Margarito has been fighting at 147 lb. welterweight limit for the longest time. I dont know what the real fuss about the catch weight since he fought cotto at 147 and willing to fight Pacquiao at welterweight which is also 147. The whole thing is blown out of proportion. Fold Maywither is the one that should be criticized since he led us to believe that he's a real fighter and not scared of challenge. On the other hand, why even bother to mention his name. He's irrelevant to boxing as far as I'm concerned.
The reason why Floyd refused to fight Manny, coz he's afraid of loosing to him and he knows this wholeheartedly. It's not due to taxes liability, because percentage of taxes eventually taken would be just about the same whether he fights this year or next year against Manny, therefore tax liability is obviously not a valid excuse. Floyd's avoidance to fight Manny this year made the match up between Pacquiao and Margarito in Nov. Arum has decided to pick Margarito coz he knows that most of Latinos are going to watch this fight primarily to see a Latino fighter finally "kill" the Mexicutioner, regardless of the weight agreed upon. A very wise business decision by Arum, although a lot of boxing fans including myself totally disagree with Arum and team Pacquiao for giving Margarito a chance to fight again, especially a championship fight and against Congressman Pacquiao. I don't think Margarito deserve a chance to fight, he should be in jail, coz he could have killed another boxer.
it cannot be help, pacquiao is the smaller fighter.
unless his opponents are smaller or similar height than him he has no choice.
pacquiao has now faught 2 tall opponents dela hoya and margarito.
since his two opponents have the bigger man advantage, only way to make the fight fair is to at least MEET US HALF WAY!!.
BS why ask question you know the answer.
we are arresting Floyd Sr. for being so goddamn ugly.
look it up...
a number of big name fighters fought at catch-weight.
Catchweight of Jrs and Supers were created in the 1970s. Those are catchweight u morons.
MARGARITO SHOULD USE "MAYWEATHERING" TACTIC.
AGREE AT 150 POUNDS BUT DO NOT CUT WEIGHT. INSTEAD, PAY THE PENALTY AND COME INTO THE RING 165 POUNDS ON FIGHT NIGHT. HE WILL WIN FOR SURE.
that is what i'm talking about, if weights will truly be followed, weigh in should take place an hour before the bout, same as hand wraps etc., so every thing is fair. 154 lbs is the limit, so you don't have to be more than 154 lbs, not the other way around. people are confused that if you are a 154 lb-champ you should weigh 154 lb. it is not like that, if you are a 154 lb-champ, you should not weigh more than 154 lbs. so catch weight does not matter.
it's ok to have this fight in a 150 catchweight limit, Margarito has been fighting in 147 and this is actually giving him some favor to save him from cutting down to 147. but i don't think this should be a title match. because it won't sit comfortably on Pacquiao's resumé that there's a footnote on the last 2 belts he won which made his feat legendary knowing both were on catchweights..
our orders are to 'shoot to kill' Big Floyd CrackHead Sr.
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if Margarito comes in higher than the agreed upon weight, he'll pay a hefty penalty, probably $ 500K per pound.
Beyond that, Team Pacquiao & Roach are smart enuff to walk away from the fight.
Why are weigh-ins performed a day before the fight? It was supposed to be for health reasons, but let's face it -- it accommodates weight cheating. People complain about technicalities but completely ignore the fact that some fighters are using the rehydration period to cheat their opponent by coming in much larger. Bottom line: they won't be the same size when they step in the ring.
Marg was chosen not because he's a champion at light-middleweight. The opponent was chosen before the weight was decided. The belt became a possibility after the weight was chosen. It's not like Pac intended to go after the belt at this weight class by fighting Margarito. If he did then he could have fought Cotto instead, or Foreman before that. It was the WBC that insisted on offering that vacant belt for this fight.
we'll arrest Uncle Rogie too.
they are being arrested for indecent exposure.
Their faces are so ugly that it's a crime
I'm a lil against this catch weight issue since some people might use the excuse of "Margarito was drained" but at the same time Pac is facing a much taller fighter who is 5' 11" so I guess it gives Pac some fairness to certain extent.......right?
p.s. Since Floyd is considered a chicken .......they (boxing commission) should force him to drop to the FEATHERweight division cuz he don't belong in the upper echelon of boxing.....for he's also disgracing the sport in and of itself.....or better yet go back to WWE where he truly belongs.
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@ US MAFIA : Even floyd Jr. will not risk a single dollar to save his fathers head.....gotta understand that floyd Jr. is married to his money and could care less about his dad.....and plus those beheaders are even scared of cutting his head off in fear that it might grow legs and arms and attack them.......and eat them.
After Pacquiao KO's Margarito, Mayweather will go back into hiding like Bin Laden!!!!!! After all he avoided Margarito, Cotto, Paul Williams and more...... You COWARD?/\|'":;,<=+_-*&^%$#@!
I think that many boxing fans wants to see a Pac-MarquezIII. Too bad Arum is too stubborn to deal with other boxing promotions such as Golden boy.
A fight at 150 is already to the advantage of Margarito, Manny won't be weighing 145 on the scales, this is also a safeguard in fighting Floyd, Floyd will surely take advantage of this situation, the gloves and the weight will be at the advantage of Floyd when he finally have the courage to fight Manny by next year...
Pac fighting Margarito at Mexico is really very interesting fight and will be the toughest test for Pac. Margarito at 5'11" (as tall as Dela Hoya but younger) will be hard nut to crack. Saw the Margarito-Cotto and Margarito pummelled Cotto into a pulp. Hope Pac knows what he is doing but If Pac wins he can retire at his prime and cement his place as one of the greatest fighter in boxing history with or without fighting Chicken Mayweather. Fed up with the antics of Chicken Floyd jr. Mayweather will be known as the undefeated boxer who evaded Pac. Go to **** Coward Mayweather and fight a Chicken instead for depriving boxing fans the pleasure of seeing which could have been one of the greatest fight in boxing annals.
No catch weight for his 8th championship...It will diminish his accomplishment.
First thing 1st. Fighting Margacheato at 150-lb catchweight is no disadvantage to Marg since he was fighting at welterwgt(147) before & his previous fights. He is not forced to drain weight like if he was fighting at a less-than 147 limit. Its actually to his big advantage since he is really a bigger guy than Pac and so he can bulk up even more.
FloydisaChicken,
Margo pounded Cotto but that's probably with loaded gloves.
I'm more amazed with Margo's chin. He took Cotto's best shots, Paul Williams as well as Clottey's.
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marga's last fight was at 147, he should be thankful for pacman for giving him the advantage to fight the pac at 150 because marga wont be draining himself. meaning, fighting marga at 150 (catch weight) is more beneficial to marga than that with pac.
whether its 150 lbs or 154 lbs it will not matter because Pacman is confident margarito is beaten to a pulp with blood gushing out of his mouth, ears, eyes, scalp, and probably might urinate by the 5th round due to the 100-power punch per round that he will absorb hehehehe
i'm not too concerned about catchweight.
i'm more concerned about my mom's various sexual related diseases. we've tried everything but the maggots in and around her PekPek won't go away
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Hell yeah the criticism is valid, Pacquiao is my favorite fighter and we can all blame Floyd for not making that fight happen but the ball is in Manny's court and he choose to fight someone that was caught with loaded gloves for a vacant title at a catch weight. As big of a fan as I may be Pacquiao just lost a point in my book. If you're going to do this please let it be a actual Jr. Middleweight bout(148-154) we have weight classes for a reason, if you want to stay at welterweight take on the young undefeated berto and take his strap.
ohhhhhhh men PAC CRITICS will EXPLODEEEEE if pacquiao wins this one.
im against this fight period. forget about the catchweight issue. ask yourself this question whats manny to gain for this fight? Nothing margarito is tainted and dangerous. the second fight with cotto is a better option. i would rather see manny win against a legit fighter. this is just uncle bob's way of throwing his weight around since he is close to making a deal with lou dibella for cotto vs berto. so manny is stuck with margarito. at the end of the day, the real winner her is floyd mayweather and antonio margarito beacuse they both get what they wanted. margarito gets a bone thrown to him by arum and floyd dodges manny again. THIS RIGHT HERE IS A CIRCUS SHOW IN THE MAKING.
you all writers are fools... what you all talkin about pacs achievements gettin diminished! pacs stature as one of the best boxers that ever lived is secured... he has earned that! all these last few fights for him are just his way of giving all of us boxing fans a few more heart pounding shows before he calls it a day and we all should be feeling how lucky we are that we lived at the time of the pacman... just watch how boring all other fights were b4 pac. may it be delahoya, tyson, leonard... all boring man! pac is pure assualt... pure heart and entertainment
Miguel Cotto versus Manny Pacquiao no catch weight
Manny Pacquiao vs. Antonio Margarito (catch weight)
sana ganito na lang ang nangyari para hindi masiyadong ma criticized si Manny...
Forget Floydie, pity him, he cant fight his own demons. Blame the pacman he put fears among the Mayweathers. Sometimes humans got scared, whats wrong with Mayweather he is too scared and devoured by his own fear.
Robert Garcia - Margarito's trainer:
Do you think Margarito will have any problems making the 150 pound weight limit set for this fight?
No problem at all. When Margarito came to camp for this last fight he was only 12 pounds over the weight limit which was 154 and 2 weeks before the fight he was already weighing 154 so losing those last 4 pounds won’t be any problem. So to be 150 I think is going to be a big advantage for Margarito, he’s going to be much stronger and much healthier. Margarito is a natural welterweight and has fought there for most of his career, at 147, so I think those extra 3 pounds is going to work to our advantage
As for me, catchweights is not a problem if the opposing fighters came from a different weight class of their own and with good marketability. However, in case of these two fighters who campaigned at the welterweights in their last 2 fights or so, I think catchweight is not necessary. Why not let them fight at 147 which they belong. At the end of the day, we can say that both fighters fought competitively. But beyond that, considering the natural weights and built of these fighters, we can say that Pacquiao has given too much of an advantage to Margarito. From weight, right to earn his biggest payday (is it?), and reputation (multi-awarded fighter against a cheater). Against Margarito, Pacquiao has nothing to gain, but got too much to loss. But if we really are going to make this fight happen, let's forget the 8th title and catweight. Marketability, which Arum is all after, will still be there. LET US GIVE THESE FIGHTERS A FAIR AND EVEN PLAYING FIELD.
Please leave Floyd fight fans. He ain't scared of Pacquiao, he is still convincing and conditioning his mind whether to fight or not to fight...he loves me?...he loves me not... You aren't the one getting your butt kick in the ring...He will be convinced next year. That is his fight strategy, hoping that something bad will happen to Manny.
some guys dont think, that's why the criticism. 150 is advantageous to Margacheato than it is to Pacman. So why criticize pacman? the only reason for this is to make a title fight at superwelter viable, no matter how trivial the title is. but heck this fight is gonna be explosive, so i'm gonna watch it - won't you?
Manny Pacquiao vs. Vitali Klitschko in catch weight..(someday)
catch weight is a part of boxing since 80's
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