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Is legalizing marijuana the only way to save the state?

A maturing cannabis plant
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  • Grandma1924 5 years ago

    Any 4th grade student understands this country was founded on the principles of individual freedoms. "A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded." -Abraham Lincoln U.S. President.
    It's weird to think that these same people pushing prohibition would be the target of questions and criminal investigation had they been around during the founding of our country!
    They can argue their logic of prohibition any way they want but the bottom line:
    Drug Prohibition has failed for the same reason Alcohol Prohibition failed. Prohibition does not work. Don’t Be fooled younger people any prohibition enforcement is as UN-
    AMERICAN as Hitler and his Gestapo! Period the end.

  • julianarow 5 years ago

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  • Bill Harris 5 years ago

    One need not travel to China to find indigenous cultures lacking human rights. America leads the world in percentile behind bars, thanks to the ongoing open season on hippies, commies, and non-whites in the war on drugs. Cops get good performance reviews for shooting fish in a barrel. If we’re all about spreading liberty abroad, then why mix the message at home? Peace on the home front would enhance global credibility.

    The drug czar’s Rx for prison fodder costs dearly, as lives are flushed down expensive tubes. My shaman’s second opinion is that psychoactive plants are God’s gift. Behold, it’s all good. When Eve ate the apple, she knew a good apple, and an evil prohibition. Canadian Marc Emery is being extradited to prison for helping American farmers reduce U. S. demand for Mexican pot.

    The CSA (Substances Act of 1970) reincarnates Al Capone, endangers homeland security, and throws good money after bad. Don't reform prohibition, just repeal it.

  • Debunked 5 years ago

    "The road to hell is paved with good intentions..."

    This is what Prohibition does. It destroys families and society.

    "Besides from curing the state of its current crisis..."

    Only disingenuous prohibitionists state that re-legalization will "cure" the financial crisis. It will not, but it will help. Only prohibitionists are willing to throw away a Billion dollars a year... and give it to Mexican drug cartels.

    "But legalization of marijuana will need to happen both ways, if the US legalizes marijuana, Mexico will have to legalize marijuana."

    False. Mexico doesn't have to do anything. Only America needs to re-legalize. Once re-legalized US citizens will not need to purchase their cannabis from Mexicans.

    "Mexico right now is because 90% of the weapons used by the drug cartels come from the United States."

    False. This was debunked over a year ago.
    www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/0

    Silly little girl.

  • Debunked 5 years ago

    "Many studies have shown that long term marijuana use-especially the more potent form marijuana called "skunk" can cause psychosis in some patients who are predisposed to mental illnesses-usually people who are a genetic risk."

    This has been debunked.

    "Some addiction experts also believe that marijuana users will graduate to more potent dangerous drugs such as cocaine or heroin once the high of marijuana is no longer enough for them."

    This has been debunked.

    "The syndrome of marijuana addiction is always the same..."

    There is no addictive substance found in cannabis. Are you just making all this up?

    "What kind of message does that send to the children..."

    Ah, the "for the children" defense. This is tyranny. Any law - no matter how evil - can be, and has passed, in the name of "saving the children". Maybe there should be a law whereby government cameras are installed in your home to "protect the children". Would be okay with that?

    Silly little girl.

  • Debunked 5 years ago

    "There are potentially so many unfavorable scenarios-the unintended consequences that could occur should this initiative pass without all the law enforcement tools in place."

    FUD: Fear, uncertainty and doubt. Pure fear mongering. The sky is falling. Shame on you for knowingly propagating propaganda.

    "...voters and the state legislative body still needs to exercise caution and good judgement before they gather signatures and send initiatives to the ballot."

    In other words, maintain the same failed 70+ year Prohibition. We need to continue our police state. All cops are good... all cops are gods.

    Silly little girl. This is a horrible piece. Are you 12?

  • jojo 5 years ago

    This author is completely retarded. Absolutely no grip on reality.

  • malcolm kyle 5 years ago

    The assertion that drug legalization/regulation would bring higher usage rates ignores what has occurred since the early 1970s. The percentage of Americans who have used an illegal drug has gone from less than 5% to about 40%. The cost of one dose of street heroin has gone from $6 to 80 cents while average purity has also increased. The only drug that has decreased in use during this time is tobacco which has plummeted from about 65% during World War II to about 20% today. Tobacco, one of the most addictive substances known to man, has never been illegal, but so many Americans have quit using it for personal reasons that clearly have not been influenced by it's legal availability. They will decide whether or not to use other drugs for the same reasons.

  • Chat Chugar 5 years ago

    All I have to say is, silly little girl. I've read better articles on craigs list. Let the men handle this one.

  • malcolm kyle 5 years ago

    Like it or not, there has never been, and nor will there ever be, a drug-free society; the use of addictive or recreational drugs is a natural part of human existence. Nobody here is claiming that any substance is beneficial for either the individual or society. It is true however that certain substances help the soul heal and relieve pain while others provide short-term relief from a monotonous existence at the risk of possible long-term health problems.

    If you still support the kool aid mass suicide cult of prohibition, and erroneously believe that you can win a war without logic and practical solutions, then prepare yourself for even more death, corruption, terrorism, sickness, imprisonment, unemployment, foreclosed homes, and the complete loss of the rule of law and the Bill of Rights.

  • malcolm kyle 5 years ago

    There is an irrefutable connection between drug prohibition and the crime, corruption, disease and death it causes. If you are not capable of understanding this connection then maybe you're using something far stronger than the rest of us. Anybody 'halfway bright', and who's not psychologically challenged, should be capable of understanding that it is not simply the demand for drugs that creates the mayhem, it is our refusal to allow legal businesses to meet that demand.

    No amount of money, police powers, weaponry, diminution of rights and liberties, wishful thinking or pseudo-science will make our streets safer, only an end to prohibition can do that. How much longer are you willing to foolishly risk your own survival by continuing to ignore the obvious, historically confirmed solution?

  • TYC 5 years ago

    Well, now we know who stayed awake in DARE class...

    Last one out please turn the lights off...nobody's home.

    Legalize ... Regulate.

  • Gnostic Guy 5 years ago

    Almost everything we have been told about legal and illegal drugs is false. First off, the most dangerous drug, right now, is Tylenol PM which some foolish people are mixing with their relatively safe heroin. The problem with drug Prohibition is you have no idea what in the stuff you bought. Ironically, we don't often know the dangers of the over the counter stuff either.

    Drug Legalization groups have done a great job in informing people about drug laws, safe and unsafe drugs, and the racism that breed prohibition in the first place.

    Also, the addiction issue isn't settled either, read the "Orange Papers" and send Dr. Drew and the 12 step cultists to the unemployment line. Shame on him for prospering on the public.

  • Gnostic Guy 5 years ago

    Oh, DARE type programs were used regarding alcohol in the 1800's. Didn't work then. Recently a DARE cop was busted steeling from the pot.

    Also, "Partnership for a Drug Free America" is the Tobacco and Alcohol Industries.

  • Cindy 5 years ago

    Supporting the current law is supporting death, corruption, waste, ruining good peoples lives! Marijuana is safer than a multitude of substances that are sold in our stores today, to use it as a vehicle for selective prosecution in order to "control" the races is a crime against humanity period!

    Legalizing a safe substance known to bring happiness to peoples lives is exactly what we need in this crap economy our ever so smart politicians have allowed themselves to be bought into creating.

    Legalizing Marijuana is Legalizing freedom!!

  • TheMadness 5 years ago

    More reefer madness just updated to sound as though any of it makes any sense. Why do all your points rally around peoples fear and loathing? If you took the time to do more than just a cursory review of the subject matter you would have realized that factually and statistically your conclusions are based on the same old reefer madness mythology. None of it really need to factually pan out because volume, redundant, and stagnate subjects tend to lend themselves to be credible. Only because they reinforce what we believe to be true. And we all know it is nice to read a story that reinforces ones own beliefs; we for some stupid reason like feeling we know we are right. Doesn't really matter if we are right as long as we think that we are we're good!

    Why don't you try challenging what you think??? Tell us about that. There lies a story. This is just a research paper, it's the madness without the war on drugs.

  • yes390 5 years ago

    This article is full of misinformation. There are too many examples to cite here.

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  • NCISFan 5 years ago

    Wow, I didn't know that when someone even questions everyone's favorite drug of choice, such nasty accusations are levied. What is wrong with the mere suggestion that maybe we should think a little bit harder about before legalizing marijuana? Since it's not something that can be easily undone after it's passed. After all, if it made so much sense to legalize it, why wasn't it done already? What are you, all pothead burnouts from the 60s and 70s?

  • Friend of Green Technology 5 years ago

    The writer of the article fails to acknowledge the benefits of industrial HEMP in legalizing. In her own self promotion of "Promoting Green Products at JKL Global Alliance Corp", she failed to make the connection of hemp in environment friendly products. See for yourself.
    www.google.com/profiles/johanna.smith

  • Jazz Musician 5 years ago

    NCISFan, I think you are mistaken. Many of the remarks have been substantive. Whether speaking about how the CRAZE began with the yellow journalism of William Randolph Hearst, so that he could corner the paper market, and that he got Harry J. Anslinger to go along with him because Anslinger was a beauracrat who prosecuted alcohol cases and was about to loose his job.

    Anslinger talked about how cannabis makes the degenerate races(probably one of your grandmothers) misbehave, most likely by getting white girls to toke, listen to, and to sleep with black jazz musicians, which is true.

  • Jazz Musician 5 years ago

    Greenpeace tech people are affraid that hemp growers will corner the green products market? William Randolph Slime all over again. Damn environmentalists. All receiving cash from the Arab oil interest to keep hemp off the market.

  • Gnostic Guy 5 years ago

    Ryan Grim's book "This is your country on drugs" does accuse the left, particularly the suffrigettes, and Tip O'neal with being the driving force behind the drug war. I bet republicans legalize cannabis before Dems do.

  • Chester 5 years ago

    Well .... can see that someone knows how to read her government propoganda. Pot users are lazy? The largest study of the productivity of pot users actually show they are more productive than non users, if only marginally. The 'gateway' therory has been busted in more studies than you can imagine. The 90% of guns traced back to America are 'of those traceable', not of the total confiscated. Automatic weapons (as opposed to semi automatic), grenade launchers, rocket launchers ect are not legal to sell in the US - yet appear on the streets of Juarez and are among those confiscated by Mexican Police. Final note ... if Calif legalizes commercial pot production , and the feds to not interfer, pure economics will dictate that Calif becomes Americas nsupplier. The Cartels will be deprived of the income and the Mexican Police freed up to chase more serious drugs.

  • NCISFan 5 years ago

    Wow, I didn't know that when someone even questions everyone's favorite drug of choice, such nasty accusations are levied. What is wrong with the mere suggestion that maybe we should think a little bit harder about before legalizing marijuana? Since it's not something that can be easily undone after it's passed. After all, if it made so much sense to legalize it, why wasn't it done already? What are you, all pothead burnouts from the 60s and 70s?

  • Gnostic Guy 5 years ago

    NCISFan, I don't smoke weed. I believe in limited government and personal freedom, you know, like the founders did.

  • Jazz Musician 5 years ago

    NCISFan, I don't smoke weed, either.

    Generalities make you no better than the FUD mind control propagandists, Debunked talked about.

    Looks like someone leans commie and watches NCIS. Thats a RED flag right there.

  • Chester 5 years ago

    No fan of pot here. Don't smoke it and don't hang around with those that do. I am a fan of the truth. Why has it not already been legalized - large part of that has to do with the disinformation such as found in this posting. It was illegalized as part of the 'moral police state' that also succeeded in prohibition of alcohol, and illegalization of abortion, premarital sex, birth control, and interracial dating. A bad law is a bad law no matter how long it has been on the books .... do you thing that 18 year olds should not be allowed to vote? Maybe women should not be allowed to vote - or resist their husbands demands. We are growing up as a nation and rejecting many of the views held by those that came before us ... this is a fundimental right of each generation. And sorry for any spelling errors - I cannot see what I am typing dure to a glitch in my browser.

  • yws157 5 years ago

    Totally clueless

  • 411on420 5 years ago

    this post lists more reasons for legalizing than for continuing prohibition. nice try.

    411on420.com

  • MCTOMTOM 5 years ago

    I am a happy pot smoker! and no... I'm not high right now... nor am I "mentally addicted" to marijuana. I just graduated college with a 3.8 GPA and smoked pot the whole time. Worrying about people being high on marijuana has never been a problem! Have you ever seen someone smoke a joint and go beat someone up? No. You haven't. People are not dangerous when they smoke marijuana, if anything, they think in a much more proactive way. I don't lack motivation, and I'm not depressed when I am not smoking pot, nor am I lazy. I live in Montana, where marijuana is legal at the medical level just like California. I am not a drinker, but I know many people whos lives have been destroyed by it. It's irrational to let alcohol be legal and not marijuana. It will TRULY help out the United States. All of the "pot-heads" I know, which is at least 100, have never dipped into heavier drugs. Let's get pot out of dealer's hands and into the open market, thus eliminating contact with heavier drugs.
    Thanks

  • Buzzby 5 years ago

    Thank you, Ms. Lorenzo, for reiterating every long-debunked anti-marijuana argument cranked out by the government's propaganda mills for the last 40 years. And thank you for insulting the 24,000,000 Americans who are cannabis users.

    It might startle you to know that the "dumb pothead" stereotype you're promoting has very little to do with reality. Unfortunately, since marijuana is illegal, most users choose not to publicize their use. The great majority of cannabis consumers are invisible: normal people, with jobs and families, who have simply made a decision to use a recreational drug that is demonstrably much safer than the two recreational drugs supported by our government, alcohol and tobacco. If the only alcohol users that are visible were the most egregious abusers, you'd think that drinking alcohol leads directly to sleeping in doorways.

    Marijuana is already effectively legal in CA. Anyone can get a medical marijuana recommendation. AFAIK, the sky hasn't fallen.

  • Dave 5 years ago

    My objection to the article is that the writer doesn't know the terms of the initiative, such as that drug testing in the workplace will not be allowed. Also, it is not a sure thing that marijuana will be taxed as cities and counties can choose to regulate and allow commercial sales but not the state gov't, so each locality will have its own laws. That will be a lot of wasted work and confusion and it will be hard for local gov'ts to collect taxes. Also, with anyone being allowed to grow on his/her property, what will happen to the neighborhoods? This initiative is a total nightmare. For those who preach freedom, people who don't do drugs have a right to be free from drug users--it's a public safety issue. Smokers used to dominate our culture with their so-called rights--don't give marijuana smokers the same permission. MM is legal enough. It is the growers that are behind this legalization push, not users.

  • Chester 5 years ago

    DAVE, you do have an absolute right to be free of drug users - just stay in the safety of your own home. You do not have the right to demand that others conform to your definition of 'safe'. Does recreational use of MJ actually create a public safety issue? Your opinion and your conclusion does not make it so. I read one rather remarkable study that showed a direct corolation between driving stoned and public safety - stoned drivers were less aggressive, they tended to hold thier lane better, had better anticipation and faster response than straight drivers - they did drive noticably slower. However, driving stoned is and will continue to be illegal.

    What will happen to the neighborhoods? I am missing the threat here.

    Do you not trust your local councels - then perhaps you should run. I would much rather trust the local councels to represent the residents than a bunch of career politicians who have never seen my town.

  • Chester 5 years ago

    DAVE, you do have an absolute right to be free of drug users - just stay in the safety of your own home. You do not have the right to demand that others conform to your definition of 'safe'. Does recreational use of MJ actually create a public safety issue? Your opinion and your conclusion does not make it so. I read one rather remarkable study that showed a direct corolation between driving stoned and public safety - stoned drivers were less aggressive, they tended to hold thier lane better, had better anticipation and faster response than straight drivers - they did drive noticably slower. However, driving stoned is and will continue to be illegal.

    What will happen to the neighborhoods? I am missing the threat here.

    Do you not trust your local councels - then perhaps you should run. I would much rather trust the local councels to represent the residents than a bunch of career politicians who have never seen my town.

  • bluecollarbytes 5 years ago

    Taxing marijuana will never solve the deficit spending of any State, especially California. And legalization would mean millions growing it like we do tomatoes- putting downward pressure on its monetary value, reducing potential tax revenues.

  • Chester 5 years ago

    Thank-you bluecollar! This issue will have ramifications far beyond California for the reason you mention, the monetary value of pot will decline dramatically. In the US, and particularly in the western states, the overwhelming majority of all pot will be legally grown and sold in California - then transported out of state. It is infinitely easier to smuggle across state lines than it is international borders. .......

    CA wins with a monopoly on the production of weed for the US, and the right to tax it. Even at far lower monetary prices, the sums will be significant.

    More importantly, at least from my prospective, is that the lower price and ease of access will remove MJ as a source of revenue for the Mexican Drug Cartels. It is estimated by our DEA and other agencies that half of all profits for the cartels comes from marijuana. Mexico has already decriminalized personal possession of small quantities in order to reduce the price and street level competit ion.

  • Chester 5 years ago

    continued for prior comment ....

    California voters have the opportunity to do something the combined governments of Mexico and the United States have not been able to do despite spending billions of dollars and costing tens of thousands of lives - they can cut the profits and therefor the size of the cartels in half.

    This unfortunately will not likely reduce the violence level in the near term, but it will likely reduce the duration of the violence significantly.

  • Chester 5 years ago

    continued for prior comment ....

    California voters have the opportunity to do something the combined governments of Mexico and the United States have not been able to do despite spending billions of dollars and costing tens of thousands of lives - they can cut the profits and therefor the size of the cartels in half.

    This unfortunately will not likely reduce the violence level in the near term, but it will likely reduce the duration of the violence significantly.

  • Jake 5 years ago

    Please check out US v. Steele Smith. The first Federal marijuana case allowing a medical defense: www.SteelesCase.org

    Come too the rally July 27, 2010 at the Ronald Reagan Federal Courthouse in Santa Ana, CA

  • charlie 5 years ago

    fixed ballot,the government wont let it happen.Marijuana has way to many bennifits .It will crush over the counter pills like sleep aids and pain releivers .Replace tree paper,plastics,fossil fuels with ethanol,cotton,tobaco,alcohol,law enforcement jobs... its goes on forever so dont get ur hopes up.the gov wont let it happen .

  • raquellie 5 years ago

    Marijuana will inevitably be legalized, so it only makes sense to do it now, in a time where it can save our economy. There is such a widespread misunderstanding about marijuana and its negative effects. In all actuality, it is safer not only than tobacco and alcohol, but also numerous over the counter drugs. And, enough about the “gateway” effect already. That misconception only occurs due to the availability of marijuana; it’s time to find a stronger argument. As for the questions regarding pilots and teachers smoking before the job, I would ask the question; do pilots and teachers drink before work? No. Legalizing marijuana will not turn people into a bunch of incapable potheads. Marijuana is already the third most used drug in the US, legalizing it can only bring the benefits of money for the state and safety through regulation for those who choose to use it.

  • luvourmother 5 years ago

    Currently it is easier for kids and teens to obtain marijuana than alcohol and tobacco. The number one reason we need to legalize cannabis in CA is to protect our children from adult substances. Yes, cannabis is the least harmful out of alcohol and tobacco (above article failed to mention that tobacco causes cancer yet cannabis does not!). Thousands of deaths are attributed to alcohol use and tobacco use every single month, yet in the entire history of humanity not one single death is attributed to marijuana use.
    Marijuana has also been proven to be less addictive than caffeine and sugar, and definitely less than tobacco.
    Please stop perpetuating lies, especially the "gateway theory", which was proven wrong over a decade ago...any substance can be called "gateway" do some research before writing your next article please johanna smith.

  • Andrew 5 years ago

    Didn't read article... but beautiful plant in that picture!

  • TYC 5 years ago

    Why did you delete my comment? It simply stated...

    Now, we know who stayed awake in DARE class.

    What's so wrong about that statement that I must be censored? Did I harass you? Did I call you a bad name? Did I imply that you did something bad? Did I suggest that you are a (insert derogatory comment here)? Or, is it that you just don't want opposing views?

  • MATEO 5 years ago

    there is no evidence of adverse consequences from the legalization of Medical Marijuana. This article is just anti legalization propaganda. Site some evidence of adverse societal consequences similar to legal alcohol or tobacco, or acknowledge that marijana is safer and less harmful.

  • bigmike 5 years ago

    if you think marijuana isnt safe, then you obviously havent tried it. If someone is capeable enough to achieve the goal of obtaining a pilots licence or teachers degree, then i see no reason what so ever why one of the two would be able to do their job. im sure this happens all the time on the DL and nobody knows nothing happens. all the people like you are just waiting for one little marijuana related mistake to rely on for the next decade or so...when most car wrecks, crashes and all deaths in general are caused by your average stupid person...tell me im wrong.

  • malcolm kyle 5 years ago

    The war on drugs is a tale of a once great and free nation which fell down a rat hole into a fantasy world riddled with peculiar and dystopian logic.

    No amount of money, police powers, weaponry, wishful thinking or pseudo-science will make our streets safe again; only an end to prohibition can do that. How much longer are we willing to foolishly risk our own survival by continuing to ignore the obvious, historically confirmed solution?

    For those of you who are still living in some strange parallel universe, one where prohibition actually works, may I suggest that you return to high school economics class, and learn about supply and DEMAND. Learn that you cannot up DEMAND simply by upping supply. Contrary to popular held superstition, drugs are not PUSHED, the drug dealers are filling a DEMAND not creating one. The DEMAND is here in the US and is impossible to control, but what is possible to control, is the income from that DEMAND.

  • PabloKoh 5 years ago

    I couldn't get past reading half of the story. Marijuana is being used today. Illegally. Any health costs to the state already exist. Money from American marijuana consumers purchase the guns sent over the border to arm drug cartels. If you eliminate the money to buy the guns there are no guns being smuggled into Mexico. If you eliminate the bulk cash smuggled to pay off Mexican police, army and judges you eliminate the cartels' influence. Johanna, especially with the last name Lorenzo, you should understand that your prohibition ideas are indirectly responsible for the deaths of 20,000 Mexicans in the last 5 years, and the rise of street gangs that inhabit every big city. Legalize marijuana and you remove 60% of gun smuggling into Mexico, 60% of the death and 60% of the corruption.

  • Pigbitin Mad 4 years ago

    Just can't believe that so many people are afraid of legalized Marijuana. They still believe that old boogeyman "drugs are bad" rap. I say legalize all drugs (not just marijuana), so that we can all be dealers. Would pull this country out of the recesssion faster than World War II got America out of the Depression. The War on Drugs was always a stupid waste of money just like Iraq and Afghanistan. Or do we all have to end up living in the gutter because of a few stupid people who believe in phony morality. Prohibition was a bad idea and so is the war on drugs.

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