There has been quite a bit of hubbub surrounding atheist rapper, Charlie Check'm, over at Atheist Nexus. The hubbub has resulted not only in the rapper's banning from Atheist Nexus but in the revoking of his invitation from Brother Richard of Atheist Nexus to perform at the Atheist Nexus sponsored "Live Dance Party" which is scheduled for the Atheist Alliance International convention that is coming up in October.
What started out as a civilized thread on Atheist Nexus discussing the topic, "Do Atheists Hate Gays," became a less-than-civil thread when Charlie Check'm began to interject his thoughts.
Now, it's not that atheists agree on all things. Not even close. But one thing that can typically be said for atheists is that they are very pro equal rights. So, when gay marriage was brought up in the thread there was a general consensus that gays should be allowed to marry. However, there was one person whose descent from popular opinion stood out.
Now, it wasn't the fact that Charlie was against gay marriage that got the group in an uproar. Not at all. We are all entitled to our opinions. What got people riled was what they described as hatred, bigotry, homophobia, and ignorance coming from Charlie.
In an attempt to defend his position, Charlie cited, according to Brother Richard, religious sites that have been exposed for their misinformation. (narth.com and familyresearchinst.org) Richard also told me that "some did think he was a Christian posing as an atheists."
Charlie also said that homosexuals are homosexual because of mental disorders and because they had been sexually abused. He also seemingly likened homosexuality to bestiality and incest. He said things in the thread like (granted - they are out of context):
I"m (sic) an Atheist and I'm against gay marriage for the same reason I'm against people marrying their pets.
…I don't support sibling marriage, human and pet marriage AND gay marriage.
I'm an Atheist and I’m against gay marriage. Why? it's because it would be unfair to a man who wants to marry his daughter or a woman who wants to marry her dog or siblings wanting to marry each other.
… gay marriage is a result of a mental disorder for the gays who became gay due to some kind of trauma and THAT'S been verified.
… the people at Narth promote scientific studies from REAL SCIENTISTS. They're not bigots like you are. You're a bigot towards ANYONE who knows something is wrong with gay people's brain.
You must don't realize how easy it is for GAY scientists to rig a study. Keep in mind that the studies involve interviews with gay people. The question is, will gay people tell truth? HELL NO. They are die hard and they will lie, cheat and do what ever it takes to deceive people into thinking they aren't crazy.
Gay people are defined by being attracted to the wrong sex. So the very thing that makes them gay stems from a result of being molested or raped. It should be obvious that they have some kind of sexual attraction disorder. Some of them are gay because they're suffering from GID. That's been proven. The percentages are uncertain because gays lie a lot because they're trying so hard to prove they're normal.
… If you were a scientist and you discovered that homosexuality is a mental disorder, would you report it to the media or would you pretend you never discovered it? YOU WOULD DENY IT AND DESTROY ALL THE EVIDENCE BECAUSE YOU ARE BIGOTED TOWARDS ANYONE WHO DOESN'T SHARE YOUR GAY VIEWS.
Atheists shouldn't have anything to do with gays. Atheists primary concern should be Atheist rights, not gay rights. It seems as though gays are trying to turn the Atheist movement into a gay/Atheist movement.
Well, gay marriage is just as bad sibling marriage …
I'm not prejudice against gays. I just know some of them became gay because they were raped. I also know that some of them have the wrong gender's brain. It's a fact.
Deep down gays know something is wrong with them. So to counter that, they try to convince as many people as possible that nothing is wrong with them so they can feel better about themselves. Homosexuals don't want any barriers stopping them from seducing the person (gay or straight) of their choice. A major barrier is the way heterosexuals view homosexuality. In order for homosexuals to increase their chances of seducing the straight person of their choice, they need to convince as many people as possible to accept the gay lifestyle. The more heterosexuals accept the gay life style, the better chance gays will have of succeeding in seducing the straight person of their choice … Gays are hateful towards anyone who might say ANYTHING that will interfere with gays attempting to seduce the straight person of their choice.
So if you think a person can be sexually attracted to the wrong species (horses), you should understand why I think a person can be sexually attracted to the wrong gender.
Playing the victim role is one of the many tactics gays use to try and downplay ANYONE who simply opposes their gay views.
'There are occasional scientific attempts to deny or obscure the fact that a disproportionately high percentage of active homosexuals also molest children. These studies are invariably afflicted with one or more fatal flaws.' [He was quoting from narth.com.]
Narth list several studies from several psychologists. It would be wrong to discredit every one of the studies. Pro-gay scientists have been caught masquerading gay activism as science but pro-gays won't complain about that. They would probably encourage any dishonesty that helps the gay movement.
Following the uproar, Brother Richard posted an explanation of his reaction to all of this. Following are some of the highlights of what he said:
For those interested, here is the verdict about Charlie.
There are two reasons it took so long. First, I wanted to get the opinions of the advisory board. Second, I have learned that the worst time to make decisions is when my emotions are at either end of the spectrum. Judgments made in elation or despondency can both have dire consequences. I usually have to sit back and wait for the dross to settle before I reach conclusions. It also helps me to listen to friends like you.
With all of our diversity, there will always be differences of opinion, and I like it that way. What is the point of only listening to people who agree with you? I’ve said it over and over, but I truly believe in Covey’s, 'Seek first to understand, and then to be understood.' I ask you all to try and live by this as well.
Charlie will not be representing Atheist Nexus at the AAI Convention. While he is free to hold whatever views he chooses, he cannot represent Nexus in any form.
Second, Charlie will remain banned from Nexus indefinitely.
While most of his statements were simply ignorant and prejudiced, there were a few that were clearly bigoted and hateful. Even when others tried to show him the error of his ways, he ignored their points and became even more repugnant.
That being said, if at some future date, Charlie claims to have 'seen the light,' and wishes to join us again, I will speak to him personally and make a decision at that time. He would have to show he has changed.
I do now, and will always, believe in redemption...
Charlie was distressed over the whole situation and expressed his dismay in a blog on his MySpace profile. He had his "mood" set to "betrayed" at the time he posted it. He wrote:
When I mentioned that some studies suggest that homosexuals may have a biological defect and gay marriage is unfair to siblings who want to marry each other(who choose to adopt instead of incest), some pro-gay Atheists reacted by saying,
1. "f-ck you"
2. "you suck"
3 "you're just as bad as a racist"
4. "you're a bigot"
5. "you make me sick to my stomach"
6, "you're not a real atheist"
7. "you're just as bad as fundamentalists"
8. "you're a Christian posing as an Atheist"
9. "you're a homophobic
10, "you're irrational"
11. "You're gay yourself"
it seems as though some pro-gay Atheists are just as bad as Christians if not worse. Not only did they say these hateful things, they pushed to get me banned from Atheist Nexus. They also said they will spread the word that I'm a homophobic and my ATHEIST music (which is helpful to Atheists) shouldn't be supported by the ATHEIST community.
It seems like some pro-gay Atheists are putting the gay agenda over any Atheist issues. They want to damage anybody including Atheists who don't agree with their views about gay issues. Their actions and words indicate that they're just using the Atheist movement to further their gay agenda. It seems like they believe the Atheist movement is completely useless unless it assist them with their gay movement. That means, Atheist issues alone are irrelevant to them.
I'm an Atheist rapper/activist. The pro-gay Atheist members at Atheist Nexus know this and they KNOW my music is good for Atheists and they KNOW I fight for Atheist BUT THEY DON'T CARE. If they don't care about the fight for Atheists, they don't care about atheism. They only care about their gay agenda. I posted this blog because I'm concerned about people masquerading the gay movement as an Atheist movement. In the Atheist movement, their gay views should take the back seat and not have an impact on the main cause. Just like in a gay movement, people's Atheist views should take the back seat and not have an impact on the main cause.
So, is the atheist rapper Charlie Check'm a bigot and a homphobe? He says he's not. Does he really care if people think he is? Should he care? After all, according to one post he made in the thread, he believes that his music "...will sell regardless of how many pro-gay Atheists don't like [him].” While that may be true, there are many atheists who won't be buying it or supporting him.
Note: By the time this was posted, Charlie had deleted the MySpace blog post quoted above.