It is indeed exciting for me to present the following interview with J. F. Gille, a PhD scientist with an interest in UFOs who has spent time here in Albuquerque and other towns in New Mexico. Dr. Gille has an interest in UFOs and has an interest in cases such as the Dulce Underground Base and the Aztec UFO Crash. Dr. Gille has written numerous articles regarding UFOs and is mentioned in Branton’s online document The Dulce Book.
Please introduce yourself. What led you to an interest in UFOs?
J. F. Gille:“I am 69 years old. I hold a PhD in Theoretical Physics (University of Marseilles, 1973). In 1965, in France, a particularly strange UFO incident took place. It has been well-documented, and it was a CE-iii (place: Valensole; witness: Maurice Masse—now deceased). I had never before believed in what was called, then and there, ‘Flying Saucers.’ It’s still one of the best documented cases in the world!
“I met well-known French researcher Aimé Michel in 1970 (and several times later). I then decided to leave France, and to immigrate in the USA. I lived in Houston, Texas, then in Albuquerque, New Mexico.”
You’ve spent time in New Mexico, and you have interviewed Paul Bennewitz. What new information, if any, did he provide?
J. F. Gille:“In spite of my efforts, I was never able to meet Mr. Bennewitz. He was already seriously ill when I read the ‘Dulce Papers’ (April 1988) and decided to go to New Mexico with the prospect to interview him. Early in November of that year, I came to the ‘Thunder Scientific Corp.,’ next to one of the gates of Kirtland AFB (a company Mr. Paul Bennewitz had created and was the owner and yet the legal manager), to no avail. I came several times at his door in the year 1989, once with two other ufologists. He stayed behind his own door, whining softly. Indeed, Mr. Bill Moore and cahoots had accomplished a dirty job of destruction on that unfortunate gentleman.”
I also understand you met Officer Valdez. What information did you learn from him?
J. F. Gille: “I learned a lot from Gabe Valdez. He was a very kind, sweet gentleman and a tough and brave man at the same time. I cannot, in the concise format of this written interview, go into even the main features of what he told me. Enough for now is to recall an unsettling anecdote that happened to him a few years before. He had been patrolling around Dulce, on the mesasover which Mount Archuleta towered, looking perhaps for the strange things Paul Bennewitz talked about in his Project Beta manifesto (a broken tree—it was rumored that perhaps a manmade UFO had crashed upon it—or maybe some stranger and revealing signs of an underground activity, like smoke or radiant energy at night). Once, in the greatness of this beautiful but desolate landscape, he saw a black, unmarked helicopter. It got closer and then landed a few yards from him. Soldiers jumped out and surrounded him. He, a police officer [with the New Mexico State Police] and the Jicarilla Indian Reservation/US Territory official go-between, a man who had more than once arrested all by himself dangerous law-breakers, found himself kept at bay by armed, uniformed, unsympathetic, and unknown commandoes. Years later, he was still upset by the memory of that humiliation. He was outraged to have been rounded up by unidentified US Special Forces (in black outfits without any sign of rank or military affiliationshowing). Valdez had no doubt these men were all US citizens. And they had leveled guns at him!
“Mr. Valdez was the leader of our party when, in October 1988, we observed a UFO over Mt. Archuleta (5 miles west of Dulce, NM). A Los Alamos scientist was with us, and he returned changed and deeply moved by that experience.”
What do you know about the Dulce underground base that you can share?
J. F. Gille:“Nothing that is not known from elsewhere.”
Have you had any UFO experiences yourself that you are willing to discuss?
J. F. Gille:“No, except the above-mentioned case, I have had no experience which could be, with certainty, associated with a UFO. Besides, I am absolutely not convinced that the observation we made Oct. 23, 1988, was not the byproduct of an ultra-top secret US weapon and/or conditioning system, in the manner of the notorious Blue Beam Project. Nevertheless, I still hope, without much illusion, that somewhere, on this planet Earth, inside mountains, or deep under the oceans, or even in the Moon/Earth vicinity, some selected members of our species are collaborating with technically and morally advanced aliens, in an effort to avert the catastrophic issue which threatens the survival of the biosphere: global warming, overpopulation, global thermonuclear war, just to name a few. . . .”
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