Harold Camping
Harold Camping claims that Jesus will return one year from today. In a 2010 radio interview with me, one of the hosts brought up May 2011 as a date he noticed that some people proclaimed would be the end of the world (or in this case the supposed date of the "rapture"). I told the host that the May 2011 date was an invention of Harold Camping and that he was getting quite a following for it.
The radio host was unfamiliar with Harold Camping so I informed him that this was the second date that Harold Camping had predicted. Here is one news item from the San Francisco Chronicle about that:
The world will end May 21, 2011. This is not the first time Camping has made a bold prediction about Judgment Day.
On Sept. 6, 1994, dozens of Camping's believers gathered inside Alameda's Veterans Memorial Building to await the return of Christ, an event Camping had promised for two years. Followers dressed children in their Sunday best and held Bibles open-faced toward heaven.
But the world did not end. Camping allowed that he may have made a mathematical error. (Berton J. Biblical scholar's date for rapture: May 21, 2011. January 1, 2010. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/01/01/BA8V1AV589.DTL&feed=rss.news).
Of course, if he actually would have relied on the Bible, and not his own imaginations, Harold Camping would not have made the prediction about 1994 or 2011. And while he admits to perhaps making one mathematical error, he has made many more.
This eXaminer spoke with one from Southern California who followed him somewhat in 1994 and she said at the time she would not listen to him again if he was wrong. And since Harold Camping was clearly wrong, she has not listened to him since, and neither should anyone else. But sadly, both she and I know others in Southern California who are believing him. Allegedly he has millions of listeners around the world to his various radio broadcasts.
Anyway, although I have denounced Harold Camping before (see Will Jesus return by 2012 or in 2011?), I also promised to provide more information about him (see Ronald Weinland Made the News for Being Wrong), so, this seems to be a good time to do that.
In his publications, We are Almost There! and To God be the Glory, Harold Camping also claims that certain biblical passages teach that May 21, 2011 is the date of Jesus’ return (which he calls the rapture) and October 21, 2011 is the date for the end of the world.
Incorrect Dates and Lengths of Time for Biblical Events
Notice something that is in his We are Almost There! book:
The church age embraced, to the very day, exactly 1,955 years in that it began on Pentecost day, May 22, A.D. 33, and ended the day before Pentecost on May 21, 1988 (A.D.). (p. 29)
As we have noted, God further solidifies or locks in this date, May 21, 2011, by placing the day of shutting the door, when the rapture will occur, on the 17th day of the second month of the Biblical calendar. Significantly, the number 17 links perfectly to the fact of the rapture because spiritually, the number 17 signifies heaven. Moreover, the number 2 (second month) spiritually identifies with those who have been commissioned to bring the Gospel. Is it not amazing that they will be raptured on the 17th day of the second month? Is that coincidental?
We also have learned that the last day of the earth’s existence, October 21, 2011, is the 23rd day of the seventh month of the Biblical calendar. The number 23 normally signifies God’s wrath being poured out. The number 7 (seventh month) signifies the perfect fulfillment of God’s purposes. Could this also be coincidental, that the final completion of God’s punishment on the unsaved occurs in the seventh month on a day that features the number 23, which is a number that completely identifies with God’s wrath, thus signifying God’s perfect wrath on the unsaved? (p. 61-62)
Now what is that based upon? In that particular booklet, he never explains why 1955 years--he just asserts based on his calculations. And his assertions do not count. 33 A.D. is wrong and even it were correct, the 1955 years is simply not a biblical time period for the age of the church (no matter what type of calculation he may show for it). Furthermore, he comes up with his own meaning of 17, 23, and many other numbers, and then based upon his meaning, then suggests that this "proof" is not coincidental. It is not coincidental, he intentionally manipulates numbers and calculations when plain numbers do not work, in order to try to force his conclusions upon people. Also notice that when he makes statements such as "The number 23 normally signifies God’s wrath", this means that he can decide that it does not mean that if it interferes with any of his other calculations (and it seems that he is very selective that way). Sadly, his followers do not seem to see this.
Furthermore, PENTECOST IS ON JUNE 12, 2011 AND NOT MAY 21, 2011 (see Holy Day Calendar). Harold Camping does not even understand what Pentecost is all about (to learn more, see Pentecost: Is it more than Acts 2?). Because he prefers his own imaginations to the truth of the Bible, Harold Camping seems to load one misleading calculation onto other misleading information to get to the wrong answer. He should not be listened to by those that actually believe the Bible.
Bible Clearly Disagrees With Harold Camping's Flood Dates
Although, the biblical fact is that God said He would never again destroy the world by flood (Genesis 9:11), Harold Camping is basing a lot on his inaccurate calculation of when he claims the flood was.
He wrote the following in his We are Almost There! booklet:
There are exactly 7,000 years from the flood of Noah’s day, which destroyed everything on the earth in 4990 B.C., to A.D. 2011 (p. 30).
According to the Bible and pretty much all biblical scholars, Noah's flood was centuries less than 5,000 years ago, not nearly 7,000. The best calculated estimate that I have seen places the flood closer to 4,336 years ago (see Does God Have a 6,000 Year Plan? What Year Does the 6,000 Years End?).
Harold Camping's is Wrapped Up in His Own Numbers
Furthermore, notice what else the article from the San Francisco Chronicle stated about Harold Camping's logic for his "rapture" date:
Meaning in numbers...
The number 5, Camping concluded, equals "atonement." Ten is "completeness." Seventeen means "heaven." Camping patiently explained how he reached his conclusion for May 21, 2011.
"Christ hung on the cross April 1, 33 A.D.," he began. "Now go to April 1 of 2011 A.D., and that's 1,978 years."
Camping then multiplied 1,978 by 365.2422 days - the number of days in each solar year, not to be confused with a calendar year.
Next, Camping noted that April 1 to May 21 encompasses 51 days. Add 51 to the sum of previous multiplication total, and it equals 722,500.
Camping realized that (5 x 10 x 17) x (5 x 10 x 17) = 722,500...
Now the above is utter nonsense. That rapture date is based upon many faulty biblical assumptions and is also historically inaccurate. Christians need to realize that there is nothing in the Bible about the idea that the timing of Jesus' return has to do with a numerical calculation based upon Atonement x Completeness x Heaven, squared. Multiplying numbers developed for concepts and then "squaring" them does not come from any Bible prophecy I am aware of. For one historical point that should be of interest , the crucifixion was a couple of years earlier than that, hence the "rapture" according to Harold Camping's "1,978 years logic" should have been no later than May of 2009 (33 A.D. for the crucifixion year has been eliminated by most serious biblical scholars). His followers should take the time and look at what the Bible does and does not teach--as it does not teaching many of the calculations that he is teachings.
Notice the basis for the 1,978 years according to Harold Camping:
1978 = 2 x 23 x 43
Number 2 symbolizes those who are to bring the Gospel.
Number 23 symbolizes wrath
Number 43 symbolizes judgmentThus, by the number 1,978, God is emphasizing that judgment will fall on those who had been commissioned to bring the Gospel (2) and are still subject to the wrath of God (23 and 43). (We are Almost There!, p. 64)
This is presumptuous nonsense. The above is human reasoning, not solid prophetic interpretation. 1,978 does NOT come from the Bible, yet Harold Camping's followers act like he only teaches what is in the Bible.
Now if this 1,978 years is to be exact like he suggests, why then does Harold Camping have to add 51 days to it to get to his May 21, 2o11 date? Cannot his followers see the fallacy of that?
In the Bible, God uses a lunar, not a 364.2422 day solar, calendar (cf. Exodus 12:1; Leviticus 23:4-44). Thus all this solar "exactness" is not consistent with what the Bible shows. Because he fails to utilize the biblical calendar, Harold Camping's date for his Pentecost in 2011 is clearly not God's date.
Furthermore, Jesus was killed on the day of the Passover and was our Passover (1 Corinthians 5:7). And let's just say for the sake of argument that this was possibly Harold Camping's April 1, 33 A.D. date (even though it was not). Under that assumpption then, if 1,978 years has an exact fulfillment somehow related to what Harold Camping is claiming, then the return would need to be on April 1st 2011 (which is exactly 1,978 of his solar years) or at minimum Passover for 2011 should be on April 1st.
But it is not.
The day of Passover in 2011 is April 18th. So, we see that Harold Camping's calculation is not exact and not based upon the Bible. Instead he pieces data together, adds 51 days to get to his 722,500, and then claims it is an exact match. It is not a true match. And since May 21, 2011 is also not even the date of Pentecost, his logic again falls apart as further nonsense.
Speaking of nonsense, notice the following "proof" from We are Almost There!:
Thus, we can know that it is as if there are exactly 7,000 years, to the very day, from the shutting of the door on any further possibility of salvation, both during the worldwide destruction of Noah’s day and the worldwide destruction of our day. Can this be coincidental? (p. 61)
No, there is no coincidence. The above is false and utter nonsense as, was mentioned before, the flood was thousands of years less than 7,000 years ago and the salvation argument is based upon blasphemy (see Harold Camping's Teachings About the End of the World Do Not Agree with the Bible).
Jesus Did Not Point to the Types of Calculations that Harold Camping Does
When the disciples asked Jesus when He would return, He did not give those type of calculations. Notice that Jesus warned people not to be deceived about it:
3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"
4 And Jesus answered and said to them: "Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. (Matthew 24:3-5).
Sadly, Harold Camping is among those who have deceived people about the date of Jesus' coming.
How do we know that?
Well, Jesus listed specific events in Matthew 24 that needed to occur, many of which have not yet happened. Now notice precisely when Jesus said He would return:
29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. (Matthew 29-31)
Notice that according to Jesus, He returns after the Great Tribulation, and with the sound of trumpet.
Now, the Great Tribulation has not began yet, nor did it possibly begin in 1988 as Harold Camping wrote.
And not only has that not happened yet, it does not happen until 3 1/2 years (the middle of a seven year prophetic "week") after a deal is made in Daniel 9:27:
27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate. (Daniel 9:27)
And while many are working towards a peace deal that might fulfill the above (see ), the deal still has not happened yet. And even if it were to happen this month (which is almost impossible), then Jesus would not return until 2017 (adding the 3 1/2 years to the time, times, and half a time for the Great Tribulation and the Day of the Lord adds up to seven years).
Harold Camping Meets the Bible's Criteria for Being a False Prophet
Notice a couple of warnings about false prophets:
22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. (Deuteronomy 18:22).
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber. (2 Peter 2:1-3).
I do not consider that Harold Camping is a real Christian. He has proven to be a false prophet. The world did not end in 1994, there will be no "rapture of the Church" in May 2011, and no one should base their life on following the dates of Harold Camping. He, and other false prophets, have caused the way of truth to be blasphemed.
Jesus Will Return, But Not Until After Harold Camping's May 21, 2010 Date
And while Jesus absolutely will return, and Christians will meet Him in the air (1 Thessalonians 4:17), many of the signs that Jesus specifically gave (including the Great Tribulation) have not happened yet. People need to heed what the Bible says and not be swayed by those who make biblically impossible claims from their own calculations and imaginations.
Harold Camping also wrote:
...the last day of the earth’s existence, October 21, 2011 (We are Almost There!, p. 64).
No, the world will exist after that and all remaining will be able to realize that Harold Camping was in complete and total error. Others have also put supposedly biblically-based numeric calculations for their version of prophecy that also have failed to come to pass. Simply putting mathematical calculations to prove something in scripture is not enough. Those like Harold Camping who spiritualize away the obvious meaning of scriptures are not true servants of God.
Sadly, because of people like Harold Camping, many have been turned off to the truth about biblical prophecy (2 Peter 2:1-3). Harold Camping will also give scoffers something to point to (just like other false prophets have throughout the ages).
Furthermore notice what the Apostle Peter warned:
...scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, "Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation." 5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. (2 Peter 3:3-9)
So, despite false ones who rise up (Matthew 24:4) and scoffers, Jesus will return. And very soon. Probably within the next ten years (Does God Have a 6,000 Year Plan? What Year Does the 6,000 Years End?). But not on May 21, 2011.
Harold Camping is wrong.
Some articles of related interest may include:
Harold Camping's Teachings About the End of the World Do Not Agree with the Bible Harold Camping teaches that the rapture will be on May 21, 2011 and the world will end on October 21, 2011. What does the Bible show?
Does God Have a 6,000 Year Plan? What Year Does the 6,000 Years End? Was a 6000 year time allowed for humans to rule followed by a literal thousand year reign of Christ on Earth taught by the early Christians? When does the six thousand years of human rule end?
Can the Great Tribulation Begin in 2010, 2011, or 2012? Can the Great Tribulation begin today? What happens before the Great Tribulation in the "beginning of sorrows"? What happens in the Great Tribulation and the Day of the Lord? When is the earliest that the Great Tribulation can begin? What is the Day of the Lord?
There is a Place of Safety for the Philadelphians. Why it May Be Petra This article discusses a biblical 'place of safety' and includes quotes from the Bible and Herbert W. Armstrong on this subject--thus, there is a biblically supported alternative to the rapture theory.
Comments
Let me tell you something that few people can.
Jesus isn't coming. Because Christianity never understood Jesus. It's a corruption of Jesus' message.
Bold words, you say? Well, let me explain.
The scriptures were written by people who didn't understand what Jesus was. It is reflected in the way they write. It's full of symbolism and childlike stories. The reason being is that they were unable to have their own spiritual eyes opened, and you cannot write from the perspective of a master without being one yourself.
It's NOT Jesus that comes again, it's the awkening of your own inner Christ.
That, boys and girls, is what the second coming is actually about.
A large scale awakening. A leap in human evolution. Void of religion. Including your's.
I'll remind you Jesus put down the religion of the day, Judaism.
I now do the same to Christianity.
And for the very same reason.
x
Wow... This is based off what exactly?
Sounds like new age spiritual awakening bologna to me. Good luck with your "leap in evolution" xenon
Hey xenon 360, if Jesus is totally like hearin' u right now, he might dress up as a pizza guy and knock on ur front door and make u faint while He's at it!! And when u awake, u see Him with His Angels trying to explain to ya that His apostles weren't that STUPID, and He is gonna come back!! Sooner or later...
Now why would God tell camping and others that Jesus is coming back on certain dates when in The Bible it plainly says that only God knows when He will return. Why would God use someone that is just a man and not the Messiah.
Hello, Bob: I realize you spent a good deal of time preparing your analysis of Mr. Camping's work. But I'm afraid you didn't get all the info you needed to do it justice. In his book Time Has An End, he shows how he arrived at the 33 A.D. date. That is most important to understanding every thing else. My book, The Doomsday Code, is based on his writings and show how the Biblical time-line was developed. It goes on to provide all the mathematical proofs needed for you to know that May 21 of next year is indeed the date of the rapture. My book is available through Amazon.com.
What Camping is predicting is biblicalyly impossible as he is predicting the Rapture BEFORE the Tribulation whach is a Pre Tribulation Rapture which is not biblical if anything at all Jesus returns after the Abomination of Desolation which hasn't happened yet nor has the Tribulation as the Abomination event takes place in the midst of the Tribulation
I've read both of ur's and Camping's book. And I must say I'm quite astonished by the fact how Accurate the sayings are. Thumbs Up from me..
Fitxpatrick r u 4 real? What a sad joke you are as a christian. Matthew 24
36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. You are not a christian it's plane to see. You follow mans words ( an a stupid man at that) not God Word! You really need to get on your knees and ask God for forgiveness. Are take a simple course on Biblical Interpretation! Know wonder why the world thinks Christians are a joke, because many are!
Fitzpatrick r u 4 real? You are a said joke for a Christian and all who believe like you. What is it you don't understand about Matthew 24 :36 “But about that day or hour no one (you are any fool like you) knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. I doubt if you are a christian. Why do I say that, because you listen and trust an obey mans words (a stupid man) and not Gods Word! You should get on you knees and ask God for forgivness for trusting the words of that false prophet. Know wound why the world looks at Christians as being stupid because many are. You should take a course on Biblical Interpretation.
Well Fitzpatrick ~ looks like you and Camping were wrong. If only both of you had actually READ the Bible, and read about the "signs" of the end times, rather than buying into your own unbiblical calculations! A true "believer" would never discount the words of Christ when he said in Matthew that "no one knows ... not even the angels ... only my Father in Heaven." It doesn't get any plainer than that!! Then again, to understand something that simple and straightforward, It takes a repentant heart that accepts Jesus as Lord, followed by the discernment of the Holy Spirit, before you can be guided into "all truth" - not something you make up based on a bunch of numbers pulled out of thin air! I doubt you'll come back here and read any of this - why would you after so humiliating an outcome - but in case you do, there's forgiveness at the foot of the cross, and that's where the blinders will fall from your eyes. Christ is coming back to earth, and believers (Christ's Bride, the Church, consisting of his true followers) will one day be raptured to meet the King of Kings in the air, but NOT on any date that can be ascertained or calculated by man - we can only know that the timing of those events are getting closer, and we're told to watch - and to be ready - for at a time we think not the bridegroom will come for his bride. Maranatha!!
To calculate an approximate arrival date for Jesus' return, you can't use the Gregorian calendar. One must use the Hebrew calendar, which accurately moves with the times and seasons of the earth.
Not to say that we CAN calculate the date, because Jesus said only the Father knows that date. So shut off all speculation and worship Him. We'll be fine if we are found faithful.
Thanks.
To Robert:
I have read Camping's calculations and they simply are in error based upon many non-biblical assumptions. And he did not even bother to consider the Hebrew calendar for the one that got him to come up with May 21, 2011. On May 22, 2011, I invite you to come back here and admit that Harold Camping was not led by God to come up with that impossible date. It saddens me that many have been taken in by him.
Another good article about Camping Mr Thiel. I'd also like to interject something and that's the fact that the Rapture that Mr Camping id teaching in an inherently false doctrine that has been teached since the 19th Century called the Secret Rapture which was popularized by John Nelson Darby and basically Camping and many others subscribe to that instead of simply reading their Bibles and read them and see that they will find nothing of what Camping teaches in the Bible.
This is sad..and leads many to disbelieve sound Biblicist teaching. Harold Camping would do well to concentrate on teaching the Word, it's application to us in life, and to proclaim Christ Jsus as Savior. When mistakes are made like the one in te 90's, it brings reproach upon King Jesus. His Board needs to exercise advice, guidance and more..if need be. Much is at stake here...this is beyond a blemish on Chistain testimony, it is fodder for anti-godism. In short...preach truth..don't speculate..shut up when being dogmatic on things like this!
There is good reason for us not knowing the "day or hour", and it's being explicitly stated in Scripture. Speculation like this is that reason. While the Bible holds up under archeological scrutiny, it's not meant to be a tool for so many curiosities, nor to sate the ego-maniacal appetites of "preachers". We are to remain faithful for the right reasons, which are mainly gratitude for His mercies and grace. We are not called to prepare for this return like a trip to Tahiti, where we get things together for the event. Service is its own reward. True followers will serve in kind. There is plenty to be fascinated about in the Bible and many intellectual pursuits that are consistent with its teaching. Numerology and doomsday claims are not among them.
Mr Camping also wants us to think that only a certain number of people were picked before creation by God to be saved later on...He then says we should all 'pray' to God for ourselves and others that we can be saved..According to his theory for 'some' of us that would be pointless as he believes if you were not chosen then you cannot be saved no matter how much you pray?...I think this is rediculous..God does not want for anyone to perish.. we are not saved only if we chose to refuse salvation after we hear the message of Jesus..NOT BECAUSR WE WERE NOT PICKED TO BE ON THE WINNING TEAM BY GOD!!! Mr. Camping ...perhaps you should pray that God might help you understand the bible a bit better...I for one will pray for you ....
Humanity is the only species aware of its death. Religion was born to cope with the idea. Just love your fellow man and work hard to be good. That's all there is. Then you will die. Pretty simple. Pretty true. Why do so many need more? I am very happy without God or his boy. And I marvel at the destruction done in their name. If God would only show up and prove him/her self, we would then all believe. Harold Camping is entertainment. Enjoy him. Laugh at him. Work to love whomever and whatever you can. Them die with a smile.
If there is no God, nor true biblical ethics and morals, then what does it mean to be "good" ?
Where did this unnatural idea of "love" come from?
If God revealed himself so plainly, you might believe in him, but would you love him?
Believe it or not, some wouldn't choose God even if he showed up with all his glory at their front door.
Man has a hardened heart which can only be softened by God IF you choose to pursue him. But it must be a pursuit; not only a belief. Being a TRUE Christian is about seeking and recognizing the absolute Truth and reality. It's not about religion, or traditions, or sunday school. It's about seeking the Truth, and rejecting the LIE that Satan and this world has to offer.
If you don't believe in God, but are seeking the Truth, then ask God to reveal the Truth to you. I mean if God doesn't exist then what's the harm in it? Address "The True God Of the Universe" whether it be a god of any religion. Ask him to open your eyes to the Truth. And ask him to guard you from any lies, which this world is so full of. Do so, every day with an open mind and an open heart.
You might be surprised what you see.
If what you say is true, man is a finite being. Well if man is a finite being, how can a finite being think an infinite though, unless however the infinite exist! My conclusion is the infinite exist because it was put in the heart of man from an infinite being.
Thank you very much for this Mr. Thiel. Knowing my OCD which causes me to worry so much, this helps me feel a little better when I think about it!
There are still some Bible Verses I don't understand though...like Proverbs 28:5 "Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all [things]." Someone says those who don't follow May 21 2011 will burn in hell for it, and that those who grew up in Churches were taught lies...saying that we can know, as he quotes stuff from the Bible with the Daniel quote of "sealing the book".
I REALLY love all of this, and I agree! But could you help me please? I'm sorry...if your busy then you don't have to. ;)
Camping saying if you don't believe his date of May 21st means your not saved is a cult tactic the cults say that if you don't believe what they believe then your unsaved. The Bible says Watch Therefore You Do Not know when the Son of Man Cometh Matt 25 verse 13 it. Also when you look at this prediction of Rapture on May 21st you have to look at another Bible Verse saying tha Son of Man comes on a day when you least expect him. That's the undoing of Camping and other date setters because what if Christ were to come a day before or the day after becausre they've had their mind transfixed on this date for so long they wouldn't be ready if he came Before or After this date. May 21st will likely be another failed date to add to the list of failed dates of Christ returns. My main worry is what happens if/when this date fails will Camoping's group go the way of Jonestown or The Branch Davidions or will they finally realize he's a false prophet that the Bible warned of.
Jahovah Witnessess say the same thing that Camping says his doctrine is sort of similar to there's saying you shouldn't go to church and if you don't believe them you don't believe the Bible.
The Jahovah Witnessess hold the "World Record for false predictions.
Cramping is an idiot! And I liked ur article. Personally I'm a satanist and happy soooo . I hope the world ends soon anyhow . I have too many bills and a student loan I'm probably not gonna pay off for the next ten years .
Dear Mollie:
You are the second or third person to bring to my attention the scare tactics that some of those who have foolishly followed Harold Camping have brought out. There is no verse in the Bible that supports the idea that those who do not believe in a human-calculated date of Jesus' return are to be punished in Hades for it. All the supporters of Harold Camping will be proven wrong on May 22, 2011. Hopefully they will realize that they all need to publicly repent for the misinformation that they have supported disseminating.
I think we could put the whole Harold Camping issue to rest with the answer to a simple inquiry. He believes that May 21 is judgment day and that the true believers will leave the earth on that day. Harold Camping also teaches that the most important activity a true believer can do at this point is to spread the word to the rest of the world that judgment day is May 21. Has Harold put his money where his mouth is? Has Harold Camping sold his home and all of the Family Radio assets and stations, with an option to rent back his home and all the Family Radio stations until May 21 (so he could continue normal operations until Judgment Day) and used the profit from these sales to help get the word out about Judgment day? I would love to know the answer to these questions because it would reveal if Harold really believes in what he is preaching.
Ken
I am going to take a stab at this question and say No because i think Camping doesn't believe this as much as he lets on.
WOW...WHAT IF HE IS WRONG AGAIN? I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE HIM.....ALL THE ANSWERING HE'D HAVE TO DO...AGAIN! I DON'T THINK HE'D SET UP A THIRD DATE. I BELIEVE WE ARE NOT TO SET DATES...I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS PLEASING TO GOD. HE DID SAY IN THE BIBLE THAT WHEN THE GOSPEL IS PREACHED AROUND THE WORLD, THEN THE END WOULD COME. WELL, IT SURE SEEMS LIKE THIS IS TRUE TODAY...IT IS PREACHED AROUND THE WORLD. BUT THE END IS NOT THE RAPTURE? THE END IS THE END OF THE WORLD? EVEN SO, HOW CAN ANYONE COME UP WITH MAY 2011. IT JUST DOES NOT SIT WELL IN MY SPIRIT. I LOVE JESUS SO MUCH AND WANT HIM TO RETURN....YEA..OF COURSE....BUT IT WILL BE LIKE A THIEF IN THE NIGHT...SO HOW DOES ONE SET A DATE? THIEF IN THE NIGHT...IS THIEF IN THE NIGHT. AMEN.
Prior to founding the "family radio" in 1958 Harold Camping was a member of the Watchtower Tract Society (Jehovah's Witnesses), there he learned the fine art of hype to generate income for his cause. He left that publication shortly after founding his new cause. He, like his former associates have made numerous predictions to propogate revenue.
“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
Matthew 24:36
nuff said
stop preparing
stop freaking out
repent to Jesus
actually read your Bible
and live life as God's humble and merciful servant
42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him." Matthew 24:42-44
And just for fun
"My dear friends, don't believe everything you hear. Carefully weigh and examine what people tell you. Not everyone who talks about God comes from God. There are a lot of lying preachers loose in the world." 1 John 4
Is it just me or does anyone actually read the Bible these days?
Dont worry O' Holy Mk of Reading Bible Has Become My Passion. There are some people who STILL reads the bible. And, yes, we're angry at u for thinking tht other Christians or Others out there dont eva read the Bible. Hope God is please with ya!!
Thank you for your comment. May God Bless You.
Thats it...You who DISAPPROVE CAMPING'S GOD FORSAKEN CALCULATION, listen up bitches!! I know ya'll always use the verse from Mat24:36, " No man knows the hour..." And u mite think, how's an old guy suppose to know the end, huh? You're right! No one knows, unless God HIMSELF OPENED OUR NARROW DAMNED MINDS ABOUT THE TIME, DATE, HOUR of Jesus's second coming!! When Jesus said ' no MAN knows the hour" what he mean' t was the MENS WHO DONT GIVE A DAMN ABT WHAT TRUE BELIEVERS ARE TELLING THEM!! And also, hav u read the rest of the REST OF THE VERSES IN MAT CHAPTER 24??!! In verse 37, below tht very verse ya'll bitchess use agains ppl like the May 21st team, it says : " As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man." Since GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF TOLD NOAH ABT THE FLOODS, SO WILL HE TOLD THE TRUE BELIEVERS ABT THE TIME OF JUDGEMENT DAY, THROUGH THE BIBLE. Dont ya'll think its weird? In 3 months, so much natural disasters happenin in areas that they should'nt, crisis, corruption,protest, human failures???? These are birthpains FOR GOODNESS SAKE!! HOW CUD U BITCHESS NOT SEE THAT?? And also, we ENTIRE HUMAN RACE OF CHRISTIANS KNOW THAT THE BIBLE DINT SAY THE DATE OF 21ST MAY 2011 IS GONNA BE THERE...OK? And people, if u think I'm crazy cuz ur seeing my crazy post, and newcomers mite want to avoid this cuz its full of curses, call me a bitch fine, call me a crack-hole, what-eva. But i'm warnin' u, its better safe than sorry.
This is comedy gold.
so what now? already passed 6 PM ... anything more to say?
HateMe or LoveMe you are a FOOL!!
If you think that we're manipulating the words of the bible for our own beliefs, then you must realize that you are no better. Matthew 24:38 describes what Jesus meant in the previous verse when he described the second coming to the time of Noah. Long story short, he said that people will continue to live their lives obliviously as the true believers are taken to safety. The nonbelievers wouldn't know they would be 'swept away' before it was to late.
Matthew 24:37 has nothing to do with any man gaining knowledge of the date of the coming. However, you are right about one thing, it's better safe than sorry. It's better to follow the words of the bible than to follow the corrupt preachings of a false prophet.
Have fun living in fear for October.
Wow, HateMe or LoveMe, ur post mite be crazy, but I think I'll stick up to ur words and I prefer to be safe then sorry.
We can be sure that we see the signs, but NOBODY KNOWS exactly the date and time when will Jesus return. Rapture theory and teachings is such an absolute deception. YOU false prophet is EXACTLY one of the sign mentioned in the Bible. indeed, Jesus foretold about this,. So you better shut your mouth and stop deceiving people!
We will never know when Christ will come back, no math can foretell when He will return, the bible says,
Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
—Matthew 24:23-31
ONLY GOD KNOWS!!!
this man is a false witness!
All of the bickering on this page just seems un-christian.
Hello bob thiel, nice article about brother harold.my concern with the prediction of harold camping return of christ on may 21, 2011 might turn out to be a deception to bring in this meitreya individual. i have been following this story about another false prophet , benjamin creme. and pretty much they are announcing the return of christ as well. why would the secular media care about the return of christ unless it is the anti-messiah? the maitreya prophet is announcing that a star, similar to the birth of christ will precede the return of christ, and i have video taped this phenomenom. since you examine prophecy , can you examine my videos about prophecy? thank you -google bloodhive
"Prior to founding the "family radio" in 1958 Harold Camping was a member of the Watchtower Tract Society (Jehovah's Witnesses)".
OK! Now I understand! When someone comes out of an environment like the Jehovah's Witnesses, who have predicted the end of the world over TEN TIMES, and never suffered suffered any consequences for their false prophesies (because thier blind followers are too scared and brainwashed to expose them), then it would be really easy to do the exact same thing!
This is what Harold is doing! Spreading F.E.A.R. - False Evidence Appearing Real for monitary profit.
How many of his followers (after May, 21st) will come to this board and say, "Wow! I was wrong to follow Harold Camping and his lies". I hope there are many, because they will receive comfort and understanding. We have all been decieved, at one time or another.
And "Hate me or Love Me" Please memorize and repeat this scripture:
American King James Version:
For God has not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
Hey i just found this on the Internet and came across the site www.nasa.gov/Julian and i did the math for Camping's calculations and actually 722.500 days from April 1 33 AD to May 21st 2011 is actually 722.501 take 1 day away and you have May 20th 2011
My question is this, How can anyone say ANY certain day and be right......It may be May 20 at one place in the world, but may 21st on the other side of the planet.....therefore, NO ONE can set a specific ONE day and be accurate....
boy, does this camping guy look like that evil old rugged demon man from poltergeist or is just me.
and for all you atheists, why do you think its so hard to believe in god? do you really think all the species on earth came from dead matter. dont you think its amazing how we can hear ,see, smell,store knoledge and memory with just living matter.......you see scientist just dont get it and alot of other people, if GOD can make us as sophisticated as we are , how hard do you really think it would be to make the world look 4.5 billion years old? REMEMBER what came first the chicken or the egg. '' GOD IS FOR REAL PEOPLE'' HE IS REAL'' as for camping, how dare him or any body try to predict god. are they serious? they need to wake up. this is god we are talking about. how dare anyone questoin god. he controls all...........allwe need to do is be greatful that hes giving us this most prescious gift of life to prove our worthless selves to him and hope he gives salvation......accept JESUS and do your best in life, try even though nobodys best is good enough...... thats why god gives us grace andmercy. thats why jesus died for us because there was no one else good enough to bare our sin. we are all given the gift, and all we have to do is accept it. OH MY ITS JUST SO EASY,ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST.
that was my comment above. didnt mean to stay anonymous
As Bible telling us no even Jesus Christ knowing is return only the Father,how come for some of us will predict the return of Christ, yes there is many of us as been saving christ Jesus that doesn't mean God will reveal is return.Remember we are a sinners Jesus clean us with is blood is not to know is return, Matthew twenty four give us some side to is return,we can tell it close to come but not the day.Nobody knows what is going to happen in the next second but God knows.There is only one we can do is to be ready on every second in every minute in every hour in every day thats what we needs to do.May God be with you all and be ready for Jesus Christ. Ready who not Jesus will come.
Brother
Roosevelt Stinphil
Hello, Judgment Day is May 21, 2011 (in 32 days) http://www.ebiblefellowship.com/may21 http://www.familyradio.com/ http://www.biblecalculator.com/ http://www.may212011.com/ http://www.the-latter-rain.com/ http://www.wecanknow.com/ http://www.may212011.com/ Now is the time to cry out to God for mercy! Isaiah 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
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