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Government-sanctioned stealing: why do some churches promote it?

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  • True Patriot! 5 years ago

    DAMN THOSE CHURCHES AND THEIR MARXIST IDEALS!!
    SHUT THEM ALL DOWN!
    Wait until November when we vote all churches out existence!!!
    Any RINO that votes FOR Churches shall pay in november!!!
    Get Rid of all marxist churches NOW!
    Obummer has let the churches all fall into communist hands and we won't stand for it!!!
    DOWN WITH THE CHURCHES! SHUT THEM ALL DOWN!!!

  • Spook 5 years ago

    NO, it's not the churches. It's the marxists. Shut all marxists down. Vote them out with a round to the forehead. A knife to the throat. A noose around the neck. Go after their leadership (hea of the snake concept). Purge the gene pool in America.

  • Anthony G. Martin 5 years ago

    True Patriot--That is NOT what I am saying, and you know it. There are PLENTY of conservative churches, many more than the liberal ones, who hold to the truth and deplore government-sanctioned stealing.

  • Joe 5 years ago

    Gotta love how Anthony implicitly endorses the violence of Spook by never deleting his comments. And this in an article calling out the supposedly "incorrect" forms of Christianity.

  • Anthony G. Martin 5 years ago

    Joe--Many of Spook's comment have been deleted, as he will readily tell you. But, as with you and others who come here and sometimes get downright abusive toward me on my own page, I am very lax about deleting comments overall. I will do it when necessary, but I don't like to.

  • Joe 5 years ago

    Well, I dare say I have NEVER said anything nearly as abusive to you as the violence that Spook supports. It is very telling that you say you do not condone violence as a solution to the issues of the day but you let his comments stand without deleting and rebuking them.

  • Urutu 5 years ago

    Spook is just making sure you guys understand that there are guys out here who are determined that the communists will NOT succeed in their destruction of America, taking of our liberties and attempts to usurp our constitution and Republic.

    We're out here. We haven't done anything YET. We're just waiting for the marxists to start the festivities then our wrath will be wrought upon the enemies of Freedom and the U.S. Constitution.

    "I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God."

  • Joe 5 years ago

    You guys are cowards that will NEVER do anything violent "in defense of the Constitution". You know that the second anyone does anything violent, the Tea Party and other right wing extremists instantly start distancing themselves from them. So just give it up and stop trying to look so tough.

  • True Patriot! 5 years ago

    SPOOK SHOOT THE CHURCHES!!!
    THOSE MARXIST CHURCHES NEED TO COME DOWN!!!
    WAIT UNTIL NOVEMBER!!!!

  • Anthony G. Martin 5 years ago

    Joe, either you can't read or you are being deliberately argumentative. I SAID MANY OF HIS COMMENTS HAVE BEEN DELETED. More will probably be deleted if they get personally threatening. Since he doesn't know you personally, or your real name, relax. He is making generalized statements about the fact that certain citizens WILL protect this country from Marxists by any means necessary, you know, like Jefferson advocated against tyrants in our own government? Or do you support censuring Jefferson too?

  • PHILesq 5 years ago

    Urutu....Yep, those damn Tea Party people are sooo radical ! They show up at rallies and say the Pledge of Allegiance, sing God Bless America, and have a forum of getting back to the basics of OUR Constitution. Everyone is welcomed...all races, all political persuasions. How could OUR government allow such a radical organization to exist?! What's next ?

  • PHILesq 5 years ago

    Joe....My comment below was intended for you to read....I, like Urutu, took an oath. I don't wear a uniform anymore but the oath remains.

  • Diamondback 5 years ago

    @ Spook and Urutu: HERE, HERE!

  • Paladin 5 years ago

    I'm with Spook, Urutu, Diamondback and PHILesq! HERE, HERE!

  • Scorpion 5 years ago

    "I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God."

    HERE, HERE!

  • SlippindripperIII 5 years ago

    Here, here to Diamondback, Scorpion ...

    III

  • FerdeLance 5 years ago

    I'm still trying to find out if anyone ever determined what happened to the $2 TRILLION that Don Rumsfield announced had come up missing from the Federal Reserve on September 10, 2001. After the morning of 9/11, I've not heard anything else about it. Could it have been provided to foreign forces to prepare for operations within the U.S.? How about all the money from those TARP and STIMULUS bills and such? Where the hell is all that money going and for what?

    At any rate, I'm lining up with Spook, Urutu, Paladin etc.

    HERE HERE

  • Layininwait 5 years ago

    Just like Obama's administration has indicated to Iran that we will not take violence off the table - e.g. U.S. has plans for strike on Iran just in case - neither do the constitutionalists in this country. We would hope and pray that we can achieve our mission without having to resort to deadly force but that's really up to the marxists (therefore, I'd bet that violence will eventually be required. You know one of Obama's top advisors, Ron Blum (maybe Bloom, not sure) has openly said they "understand political power comes largely from the end of a gun." and the POS head of SEIU, Andy Stern, has said to the effect that "we hope to use the power of persuation but if necessary will use the persuasion of power." Additionally, Anita Dunn has openly praised Mao and how much she adores him and his policies. We may not be able to avoid having to use deadly force for no other reason than to defend ourselves, our loved ones and our liberty.

    "Give me Liberty or give me death!" - Patrick

  • DawgKillaIII 5 years ago

    Long live the Republic!

    Here here.

  • YoteHunterIII 5 years ago

    Here here.

    III

  • PHILesq 5 years ago

    Layininwait....very true but only after permission is granted to us by the Bilderbergs and the G-20 !

  • Rowdy III 5 years ago

    HERE HERE!

    Keep stocking up on ammo and battle rifles folks. I'm afraid we're going to need all we can get. Also, if you're financially able it wouldn't hurt to stock up on rifle primers, powder and bulk bullets etc. even if you personally don't reload. We'll probably have to set up reloading operations as ammo becomes more and more scarce. That's why I prefer using NATO chamberings for my battle weapons even though they're not the "ideal" cartridges.

    Send communism back to hell!

    III

  • Senator Barry Goldwater 5 years ago

    Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. — Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 (1909-1998)

  • walrus 5 years ago

    Senator Barry Goldwater says:
    "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. — Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 (1909-1998)"

    I think Osama Bin Laden would agree with Goldwater.

  • Anthony G. Martin 5 years ago

    Uh, Walrus, Osama bin Laden doesn't believe in human liberty.

  • PHILesq 5 years ago

    Anthony.....More and more lately I'm reminded by some of these idiots of the old Lead Zeppelin song "DAZED AND CONFUSED" !

  • Anthony G. Martin 5 years ago

    Phil--Yep, and that's putting it mildly.

  • Oh well... 5 years ago

    From the comments below, it's obvious that the military needs to institute a training program for enlisted and officers about what it means to "defend the Constitution."

    Far too many here are ready to throw it out because they don't like the results.

  • Barry Howman 5 years ago

    If the "results" are, in fact, usurpation of the Constitutional Republic, then yup, it's time to defend the constitution against domestic enemies like TIDES, SEIU, APOLLO, ACORN, SDS, CPA and those in government who are knowingly, with malice and aforethought, subverting the laws of the land. See, the supreme law of the land (that's the U.S. Constitution for you leftwing numbnuts out there) is not the only law being subverted. The Obama Administration is violating numerous other laws such as picking and choosing which laws they'll enforce and which they won't. Couldn't find that in the U.S. Constitution (grants limited and enumerated powers and stipulates duties of office). You know, "...; he shall take Care that the laws be faithfully executed, ...." Found no amendment changing the wording to "...; he shall take Care that the Laws he approves of are...". See the difference.

    @ Oh well: How about you give us all a lesson on your take of defending the Constitution?

  • Anthony G. Martin 5 years ago

    Barry--I wouldn't expect too much from him based upon other remarks he's made. Revisionists insist their way is 'Constitutional.' They know how to use all the right terminology, the right words, the proper rhetoric, to fool the non-astute into thinking they are all for the Bill of Rights and other Constitutional provisions. But the proof is in the pudding--the measures they support do nothing but trample on the Constitution they claim to defend. This is what we get for allowing Progressivism, Liberalism, 'the living Constitution' nonsense, case law, and court precedent to trump original intent AS DESCRIBED BY THE FOUNDERS THEMSELVES, WHO TOLD US WHAT THEY MEANT BY THE WORDS THEY USED IN THE CONSTITUTION. And the fact that these subversive have crept into the churches, perverting the Gospel, is cause for much alarm.

  • Barry Howman 5 years ago

    It had kinda gotten off the church thing there for a bit huh?
    I don't cotton much to that Collective Salvation crap either. I've asked 3 or 4 progressives lately to justify their claim that Jesus would have been a socialist but have yet to get a response. Maybe one of your light bulbs can brighten things up for us on that.

  • Anthony G. Martin 5 years ago

    Barry--They take Jesus' words urging individuals to help the poor and needy and then erroneously extrapolate from that a mandate for GOVERNMENT programs funded with tax dollars. A giant leap in 'logic' I know, but this is the faulty mantra.

  • lg 5 years ago

    Anthony,
    While I could nitpick details and we would never truly see eye to eye......
    This is absolutely the best article/editorial you have ever written. It is clear, concise and totally on point. You have made a sustainable and consistent argument.
    Kudos!

    That's not to say I agree - wouldn't want you to think I had converted.

  • Side Note 5 years ago

    @ Phil
    Led Zeppelin guitarist sued by 70-year-old singer-songwriter for plagiarism of "Dazed and Confused"

    By Steve Newton

    When Led Zeppelin blasted onto the rock scene in 1969 with its self-titled debut album, it was obvious the British hard-rockers owed a huge debt to American blues artists. But who knew they were also playing fast and loose with the material of a relatively unknown folk singer from San Francisco?

    The fantastic zep many times failed to credit songwriters.

  • Karla 5 years ago

    Anyone can tag on the label"Christian" but unless you are blood bought born again and adhere to the principles of the Bible you aren't one. I don't understand why people want to deny Christ and still be called Christians.

  • PHILesq 5 years ago

    As Reagan might have said ...."Well...to quote someone who had a degree of intelligence and knew what he was talking about, I give you these words of wisdom" .... "Each state in ratifying the Constitution ,is considered a sovereign body, independent of all others, and only to be bound by it's own voluntary act. In this relation, then,the new Constitution will,if established,be a Federal, and not a National Constitution"....James Madison, Federalist Papers No. 39

  • PHILesq 5 years ago

    Side note....thanks for the info....I'm glad to see someone who appreciates the little known facts in this otherwise facade world....and the mighty Led Zep perhaps !

  • Anthony G. Martin 5 years ago

    lg--Thank you for your kind words. I appreciate that.
    I know we disagree strenuously on many issues, but you have always been a worthy opponent who can avoid personal attack while focusing on the issues. For this I am grateful.

  • lg 5 years ago

    I had to think about why some churches believe the way they do.
    Reference the writings of Paul not the first four books of the NT. Paul does so much more than fuel hate against sinners and many just use pieces to justify their positions.

    In establishing the early church Paul consistently promoted the value of the collective - Christians living in community and taking care of each other. All parts of the body are equally important. The BODY is inclusive of all Christians.

    In community we are to care for each other and decently work to achieve reconciliation when there is conflict in that it diminishes the body and brings no glory to God.

    Paul if read in total is not the Bible ammunition that many believe. You have to read whole chunks of Paul's works to get the entire point of the letters.

    Paul's letters repeatedly promote the value of the collective body of Christ.

    Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are indeed concerned with individual and personal salvation.

    Read on.....

  • Anthony G. Martin 5 years ago

    lg--The problem, though, is when Christians assume that directives for the 'collective body of Christ' are prescriptions for government programs. There is nothing in those letters of Paul that remotely suggests any support for, or even an ability to conceptualize, a government program. That misses the point entirely. The body of Christ operates by a set of values, TOTALLY VOLUNTARY, that are Church-specific. But Leftists, although they claim to adhere to 'separation of church and state,' will insist that Paul's directives should apply to the state. A gross contradiction...

  • walrus 5 years ago

    Anthony G. Martin says:
    "...There is nothing in those letters of Paul that remotely suggests any support for, or even an ability to conceptualize, a government program..."

    you don't know your world history...most empires had a system of government programs to keep the "pax romana"...(the governed expected certain things from the overlords in exchange for peace)...government programs have been around since written history...in fact, there have been very fews governments without government programs (they didn't last too long)...the longest lasting empires ALL lasted long BECAUSE of their government programs...read a history book when you get a chance.

  • Prodigalman 5 years ago

    The word lg continues to omit is "voluntarily" - e.g. we are expected to "voluntarily" care for each other. The government is NOT a party to our individual duties of compassion etc. Jesus would not agree that the government or even the church should TAKE (aka STEAL) from some against their will to provide for others. Christians should GIVE to the church/christian community for the benefit of the whole. Key words: Give and Voluntarily. See the difference?

  • Anthony G. Martin 5 years ago

    Walrus--do you stay drunk or are you really that dumb? I never said a word about government in general...the context of my words here, as any intelligent person can see, is that government SOCIAL PROGRAMS FOR THE POOR were non-existent in the Roman Empire.

  • Anthony G. Martin 5 years ago

    Prodigal--You hit the nail on the head! Good point!

  • JR Bailey Casper Public Policy Examiner 5 years ago

    My dear Mollusk Molester,

    "Pax Romana" had to do with the Public Corn Dole?

    Please lay off the drugs: meth, coke, horse, ludes, whatever it is, PLEASE stop destroying what few active brain cells you may have in your mostly empty head!

    "Pax Romana" the "Roman Peace" had NOTHING whatsoever to do with handing out free grain to either buy votes or keep the Plebs from murdering wayward merchants or the lesser aristocracy!

    "Pax Romana" had EVERYTHING with which to do concerning a Gladius Iberii, Crosses, and Hard Core Legionaires!!!!!

    The Roman Peace was kept in this manner:

    When Berber and Bedouin thugs in North Africa kept robbing Romans and those under Roman control, the Romans took to the field against them and along 100 MILES of the road which they used to rob and murder folks, the Romans crucified most of them!

    After that little show of "Pax Romana", no more robbing and murdering along the road.

    Look it up, it's interesting reading.

    Cheers.

  • JR Bailey Casper Public Policy Examiner 5 years ago

    Mollusk Molester cont,

    Further, Caesar's (THE Caesar, Julius) conquest of Gaul (all the way up to what we would call Belgium, though his troops DID make it to the Southern part of England at one point. London was a Roman founded town.) and the Iberian Peninsula was part and parcel of "Pax Romana"

    You're letting your Social Progressive looniness get the best of you again Double M!!!

    Da Po Folk in Rome didn't have WIC, or another of the other lunatic 167 CURRENT Welfare Programs in place!

    The Public Corn Dole was paid for more often than not, by rich Senators trying to buy votes for tribunes, consuls, etc. There were some consuls trying to keep the Plebs quiet and happy for the next round of tribunate voting, for political clients, family, and close friends, so the Good Ole Boy Network would carry on!

    Wake up Double M and put down the Bong!

    Cheers.

  • The Bible 5 years ago

    "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." - Matthew 19:24

  • John Redman 5 years ago

    "Thus, when the so-called 'compassionate humanitarians' of the Left, including those involved in 'Christian liberalism,' howl to high heaven about how cold and mean we conservatives are concerning the poor, my message to them is this--the next time you do what the Good Samaritan did, personally, individually tending to a wounded man, paying for his entire medical bill out of your own pocket without expecting ANY 'reimbursement' whatsoever, then and only then will I listen to your incessant drivel about how government needs to steal my money to help the poor."

    I did precisely that in the past involving a young lady who was hit by a drink driver and left in the road, so you can come down off your high horse, drop your arrogant "guardian" lectures & mindless hate, and start putting your own money where your mouth is Anthony...

  • Anthony G. Martin 5 years ago

    Redman--Congratulations! Bravo! Glad to see you admit Jesus was referring to voluntary individual action and not a government program.

    Oh, and by the way, why would you think that I don't 'put my money where my mouth is'?

  • Anthony G. Martin 5 years ago

    To those who just got their comments deleted--I am not obligated to allow anyone you wish to say here on this forum just because I believe in free speech. If you want to bash me personally or engage in false attacks, get your own damn site or blog and have at it. But it WILL not be allowed here. That IN NO WAY infringes on your right to free speech. You have plenty of avenues by which to make your views known. But here you will go by my rules or you will get deleted.

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