Will .22 rimfires fall under new reporting controls? Will CA bullet button system be classified as detachable magazine?
The following was provided to me by a source who has proven reliable over the years. It was given to him by an ATF insider with the specific request to be forwarded to me. I am reproducing it here unedited and in its entirety as I received it:
It appears the new technical experts at ATF headquarters are making another technical determination in their new bid to classify firearms in a prohibitive way. We are all now aware that ATF will be requiring a multiple sales report an all rifles with a detachable magazine and a caliber larger than .220. The rationale for this is to stop assault type rifles going south of the border. It was not very well thought out in the planning stages. But when headquarters personnel make a plan it generally isn’t good and it is implemented and who cares. If ATF was so concerned with monitoring what types of firearms were being trafficked why were the firearms they want to stop not properly described? What are these boneheads really doing? All firearms owners know the .22 caliber rimfire is .224[*] in diameter. So if someone buys more than one Ruger 10/22 is a multiple sale form required? In accordance with the ATF plan it is. This plan also brought up the true ATF anti gun agenda which is what to do about the California bullet button. If you don’t know, gun owners in California cannot own an AR15 that accepts a detachable magazine. A well thought out design was created in which the magazine off an AR15 can only come out with a tool. The magazine release is replaced with a latch with an internal release. A tool called a bullet button is inserted into the replacement magazine release to drop the magazine. In California, the most restrictive state for gun owners, this was defined as not being a detachable magazine. Yet ATF is going to redefine this system. To further the anti gun agenda ATF is classifying the bullet button system as a detachable magazine. ATF has the intention of defining, what a tool is, how much time it takes in the use of the tool to remove the magazine, and the time to install the replacement magazine catch. The reason this is such critical issue is because the ATF experts were watching U Tube and found a young kid rapidly detaching the magazine. If this young kid could do it then it must be a new super device that all the drug cartels will be buying and replacing the normal magazine release on all of their AR type rifles. (Just sarcasm.) In this fervor to prohibit gun ownership by attacking any detachable magazine gun above .220 they never thought about receivers. Under the new reporting instructions AR15 receivers are not regulated, nor are completely assembled AR15 receivers without an upper receiver regulated. I am sure that ATF must know this which lends credence that this is just a new agenda for the ATF gun grabbers. Does anyone believe that if the ATF defines the bullet button as a detachable magazine federally that California will not redefine their law? Sorry California gun owners we really don’t care.
[*Specifications: Bullet diameter: .223; Neck diameter: .225; Base diameter: .225; Rim diameter: .275]
The business about .22s being caught up in the new oversight proposal is something I’ve been discussing with others, just the other day with fellow Gun Rights Examiners Liston Matthews and Kurt Hofmann, and earlier with a reader and correspondent who uses the screen name “W3”, himself a retired Texas peace officer.
I was not intending to say anything about this at this time, because as W3 put it in an email he sent me over a month ago:
If ATF's word-twisters haven't already figured this out I really don't intend, or want, to educate them prematurely. It's more fun to educate a lawyer in a courtroom in front of a jury and his peers.
I was pretty sure that I had read somewhere that, like the .S&W 38 caliber pistol projectile being actually .357 of an inch in diameter, .22 caliber projectiles aren’t actually .220 of an inch in diameter. The .22 rim-fire is actually .223” – .224”.
Did a Google search and found the answer on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Long_Rifle
I’m wondering if the ATF wordtwisters are aware that there is no true .22 caliber long gun round and that if they are allowed to require FFL reporting two or more sales of only (1) semi-auto long guns, (2) over .22 caliber, and (3) with a detachable magazine. That their hidden agenda is to actually require FFLs to report on two or more sales of all semi-auto long guns with a detachable magazine.
This new information preempts any intent I had about just sitting back and watching, particularly with the California bullet button development. What it, along with today’s anticipated Saiga ruling point to are back door gun control measures being implemented with no accountability or oversight.
This is not representative legislation with checks and balances to protect against overreach, usurpation and abuse, this is rule by edict. This is more power being assumed by people whose actions raise serious concerns about how they use the power they’ve already got.
It has to stop. Or we have to stop it.
Tangentially related:
- ATF ‘emergency’ long gun reporting an agenda-driven power grab
- Second Amendment attorney: ATF’s proposed long gun ‘emergency’ regs illegal
- ATF position on pistol grip 'shotguns' creates new danger
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Project Guntalker redux
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And this would leave the 5.45x39 AK74 clones alone, as well as all 204 Ruger AR's.
Crazy huh?
The people will have to stop it. Government has no interest in stopping itself from doing anything it wants to do. It certainly has no interest in supporting the Constitution or any of the bill of rights. It has never repealed a gun law it has created because it wants those laws in place. Your freedom and liberties mean nothing to any of them.
Anon, try again and act like you're capable of self-restraint in your choice of language.
Have you talked to Ron and Rand Paul about the insider ATF stuff?
Not directly. An activist I know told me he was trying to open that door.
The regrettable federal redefinition has no real bearing on CA's 'detachable magazine' definition in 11 CCR 5469(a).
This definition specifically applies to the statutory generic "by features" AW definition in 12276.1PC and overrides any 'commonsense' word usage. Legally, a magazine regarded as nondetachable per this definition can be removable: this is why the BulletButton maglock (as well as similar devices for non-AR platforms) exists and has withstood significant, repeated legal scrutiny in CA.
Formal CA regulatory procedures - meaning per CA Govt Code 11340 et seq - would have to be followed to even attempt to change this definition. Furthermore, any change to this definition would trigger a slew of 'underground regulation' - that is, an illegal extension of the scope of the law, which would be fought in the state Office of Administrative Law. Among the problems would be how to handle the transition to AW status for the DOJ-approved DSArms "CaliFAL", the Barrett M82CA, and the plain SKS.
This was was *already* attempted in 2006 (trying to add a concept of 'permanence' to nondetachable magazine configurations in an attempt to curtail black rifle sales) - and it failed to go thru for a variety of legal, technical and political reasons.
Bill Wiese
The Calguns Foundation
Cops need to get their heads on straight. It is not "us" against "them" meaning cops against the Public as the same folks stealing cop pensions are stealing our pensions as well.
When cops quit protecting the highest level criminals like Obama, Clinton, Blankfein, Bernanke, Geithner, replace all ousted politicians with everyday people, names taken from voter registration lists. People must serve 2 yrs. A representative republic can be restored forthwith, but first of course, ALL THE TRAITORS must be removed. Arrest them cops
Anyone not knowing the NewWorldOrder Agenda is being implemented though indebting entire Nations to a Global Banking Cabal, and that the Federal Reserve Bank isn’t federal, isn’t a reserve, but is the privately-owned Central Bank of the United States to which even generations of persons yet unborn are indentured to for unplayable debt service, likely would not understand what’s actually occurring. The U.S. has been bankrupted intentionally, the ‘middle class’ is being destroyed and the illegal alien invasion has been allowed to occur as part of the continental Agenda to form a Union of the Americas, complete with a supra-National governing body of appointed officials and taxing authority.
Integral to the Agenda is, of course, to make it illegal for anyone not in government employ to possess a firearm.
Since this could not be done with enactment of a single Federal law, requiring Mr.and Mrs. American to ’TURN THEM ALL IN”, any and all other avenues of pursuit are being taken.
As with any agenda, there’s those who know the plan, players in it for their own personal gain, and the usual collection of patsies, pawns and temporarily-useful idiots. ( McCarthy is most likely one in the latter category )
The BATFU claims it isn’t a law-making body, but all that’s necessary for it to become one is to alter whatever codes exist, set about enforcing them and Congress fail to rescind the powers it’s assumed for itself.
Despite the change in party affiliation of the number of individuals recently elected to FedCong, there is no true leadership.
That is to say the type of leadership necessary to salvage what’s left of the Founder’s and OUR Constitutional Republic.
An assemblage of Patriots in political positions with a true passion for saving America as a Nation would have slammed the door on ALL immigration on 9/12, rounded up all visa-overstayers and deported them, and began a program to rid America’s prison system of illegals, just for starters. FedGov still could but they won't.
( Millions of jobs would become instantly available for Americans )
Since the fractional banking system is a fraud from its very inception--meaning the sums claimed to be owed to the FRB are conjured up from pure ether--FedGov could settle debts with foreign investors and tell the FRB to stuff their fiat debt. ( Remember,
It’s FedGov that’s enforcing confiscatory taxation for debt service, not the bankers.)
Obamacare will be used as but another excuse for enactment of more gun-control laws, regardless of the outcome of the suits for the unconstitutionality of the mandates in it.
The ban-the-GUN crowd will claim it’s unfair for Americans to have to pay for treating GUNshot wounds and GUN-related injuries.
Wow, just wow.
This discussion turned from one that was based on technical/regulatory issues into an irrelevant tinfoil hat/black helicopters one.
No wonder *some* gunnies look loony to the outside non-gunny world
Bill Wiese
San Jose CA
Doesn't this mean, functionally, that almost anything larger than a BB gun that uses powder to move lead is subject to the new reporting requirements?
Either that or BATFE personnel and the DoJ lawyers have no idea what their proposed regulation says. Granted, when they decided several months ago that a plastic gun that uses 6mm plastic BBs for ammunition is a machine gun they had to use an extremely narrow interpretation of the definition of a "machine gun" but what's to say that they don't have pretty much the same thing in mind in this instance as well?
[W3]
Uncurious and expected that some might find a broad, relatively brief overview of subjects which are, in fact, quite pertinent and directly related to issues regarding the overall scope of the Gun Control Agenda, or as aptly stated by Mr. Codrea, “The War on Guns.”
Apologies for my brevity and many omissions, such as mention for those who may not know, that the impetus for the Federally-enacted so-called ‘ban’ on so-called ‘assault weapons’ came as a result of law enforcement in California failing to keep a habitual drug using, alcoholic drifter with prior firearm offenses in jail. A pathetic excuse for a human who subsequently proceeded to murder and maim children and teachers in a Stockton California school yard.
The Citizens of California are still, and will forever be, significantly affected.
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Case in point being the time, energies, money, talent and obvious intelligence of an individual such as Mr. Wiese, now focused and well versed in knowing the technical/regulatory aspects of the legal minutia related to gun laws--the totality of which amounts to essentially no more than frivolous and clearly rights-violating acts--when, if it were not for his own State government engaged in carrying out phases and stages of their Gun Control Agenda, he would most assuredly be devoting his time and effort in other areas, and benefiting the Citizens in other ways.
At least the same can be said of Mr. Codrea, notably among the most diligent, stalwart and dedicated defenders of the rights of Citizens to keep and bear arms.
Were it not for the drug dealers, human smugglers and the like battling for turf and control along the U.S./Mexican border, other criminal refugees fleeing from the Mexican government, and the vandalism, rapes, assaults murders and general mayhem caused by those among the millions of illegal aliens having invaded the U.S., it’s likely the Union of the Americas would already have been implemented. As a supra-National government with legislative and taxing authority of appointed officials, when the new Union enacted say, a UofA law requiring all firearms be registered, lawmakers in the Federal Congress would have the ultimate excuse, and could simply say the decision was out of their hands.
Since this Union has not yet been implemented, and knowing the Agenda is to eventually disarm the only real threat to FedGov, that being the law-abiding armed Citizen, would it really surprise anyone to know with certainty that persons would intentionally supply drug dealers with firearms made in the U.S. in order to increase their trace-data as proof of the need to reenact the improved version of the currently defunct so-called ‘AW’ ban?
If you were part of an agency knowingly outside the scope of authority, changing codes and in doing so writing laws and intending to enforce said laws, with nothing to stop you but other laws which can only come from the Federal Congress, why would you not alter the codes in such a way as to intentionally be vague?
With FedCong and FedGov fully intending to grant Citizenship to millions of illegal aliens, anyone think it hasn’t occurred to at least a few focused on advancing the Gun Control Agenda, that along with instant Citizenship, persons who are currently prohibited under Federal law from possessing any firearm as illegal entrants-- persons who don’t know the laws and many who don’t even speak the language--would also become eligible as Citizens to legally own guns?
What laws would you want in place before you fast-tracked millions of people to Citizenship and how would you go about seeing they were implemented?
Maybe work toward padding the trace data to get the new and improved ‘AW’ ban implemented?
Oh, and BTW, what color is a Blackhawk helicopter and what’s that law again about using military equipment against civilians, like armed helicopters and tanks, and CS gas 'banned' for warfare by international treaty?
Wako Texas ring any bells? Just curious.
Tip ‘o the tinfoil and best wishes to all.
That's Waco, Texas, with a 'c'.
Not to be misconstrued here, I honestly and earnestly believe the vast majority of individuals in various agencies within government from the local level through the many Federal agencies are moral, decent, honest and hardworking people doing at times, exceedingly difficult, often dangerous and deadly, and in far too many instances relatively thankless jobs.
To such persons, I offer my sincere appreciation and trust my remarks will not be taken in any way as intended to disparage or offend.
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