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Obama's Office of Management and Budget Director, Peter Orszag, has now indirectly admitted that ObamaCare will impose a system of rationing through the newly-created "Independent Payment Advisory Board."
What's even more horrifying than the fact that Sarah Palin was right after all is that ObamaCare also illegally strips Congress of its legislative powers over health care.
Every day-to-day decision made by this "independent" death panel will immediately become law and can only be reversed individually, through a separate act of Congress each time (with a 67-vote majority), signed by the president.
This impossibly stacks the deck against any real efforts to create accountability or oversight. It leaves the entire health care system in the hands of one tiny, unaccountable, un-elected federal bureacracy...which can now issue any arbitrary edict it pleases on who can provide what services where, and to whom, from on high, with total impunity.
Imagine that. Adding millions of patients to the system while driving away all the doctors really doesn't increase access.
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that breitbart disinformation has more selective editing than the o'keefe fake videos.
Don't plan on living to a ripe old age, Chimp!
Good info and very accurate.
It is actually the Independent Medicare Advisory Board. Leaving Medicare out of the title is huge (and Orszag did as well). Medicare costs are crippling the budget. Fiscal responsibility requires that hard decisions be made. Many seniors carry a supplemental insurance policy, with significant premiums, and yet the payouts are minimal since Medicare pays for so much. The conservative should appreciate Medicare cuts. I have trouble finding a consistency in argument on this issue. This panel will make decisions that will limit what the govt. will pay for and if they have no money (which they don't) something tangible must be reduced. Perhaps the insurance companies receiving premiums should pay something for the premium dollars received. Furthermore, the congress or the president can reverse any policies put in place by this board. Yes, it would have to be a reversal not an individual vote on each policy.
Oh my god, you can't possibly be this dumb. Please tell me this article is written purely as a satire of some of the ridiculous things the "conservative" side has said during the HCR debate?
We told them so!
you want death panel, get some private insurance; they cut you off the minute you start costing them money.
medicare just doing what insurance companies been doing all along. probably with a lot fewer rejections still.
Laughing Chimp: "you want death panel, get some private insurance."
So...pretending to fix health care while actually just bankrupting the country to make it far more expensive and far less accessible is okay because...insurance companies are the Anti-Christ?
Nice logic. I guess every big government scam requires a villain.
no, moon-loon; those touting fear-mongering death panel claims supported by selectively edited videos are the villians, especially when the government is planning only a fraction of the care rationing we all endure with private/corporate insurance.
Laughing Chimp,
Show me what else Orszag said that was left out and makes it misleading for him to have been quoted as saying this and this response might actually make sense.
What's that? No examples? Didn't think so.
And no, math genius, with half the doctors now leaving and ObamaCare making it impossible for most medical facilities to function (while adding millions more patients), there will be FAR GREATER rationing.
Not rocket science.
It is simply amazing how when this is finally admitted to that there are some people out there that just simply refuse to believe it. If they had read the bill prior to it becoming law they would have seen this in black and white. I have a feeling that they still would not have believed this even if they had read it themselves. WAKE UP AMERICA!!! This is all about socialism at it's finest.
Colleen,
This is actually Socialism at its worst.
Actually reducing govt. spending for recipients of Medicare and Medicaid thereby reducing the govt. entitlement programs for "social" spending.
Increasing govt. spending to pay for all health care cost would be Socialism at its finest.
OMG! This ship is sinking!
half the doctors leaving??? talk about disinformation!
but here's what he really said, minus the selective editing:
Everyone agrees that we can no longer afford to just pay for quantity – that is a fee for service system where doctors and hospitals are reimbursed based on volume. We need to pay for quality.
But I would challenge everyone in this room, since I have spent years and years studying this, to tell me precisely how we should pay for quality, exactly what should bonus payments be for
high-performing doctors, exactly what should the penalty be for hospitals that have high readmission rates, exactly what condition should be covered by bundled payments, exactly how
should accountable care organizations work. There are lots of promising ideas, but the details are not yet known with enough precision to write them into law hardwired.
(continued)
(orszag continued)
Furthermore, healthcare is a dynamic market. It’s always going to evolve. In that setting, the only sensible approach in my mind is an evolutionary one where you try lots of things, throw lots of thing up against the wall and have a mechanism in place to move to scale immediately on the most promising ideas, and that’s exactly what the legislation does, both through the innovation center that’s created and importantly through – I think folks have not really focused on the Medicare Commission, the Independent Payment Advisory Board, that’s created. This institution could prove to be far more important to the future of our fiscal health than, for example, the Congressional Budget Office. It has an enormous amount of potential power. How that potential is realized is going to have a very significant influence on our future fiscal trajectory.
(continued)
(orszag continued)
Well, keeping this net, again, so there’s a gross cost, but in terms of the deficit impact, yes. I believe, not only will the bill reduce the deficit as the Congressional Budget Office
suggests – and I hope we can actually have the debate about some of the critiques like the excise tax won’t take effect or the various critiques that are out there, because I’d like to just go through them and rebut them one by one.
I think, if anything, the deficit impact may well turn out to be larger than what was projected by the Congressional Budget Office for two reasons.
One is, if you look at the history of projections on major pieces of legislation, they have tended to actually be too conservative rather than too optimistic, and second, the scoring largely does not take into account this evolution towards paying for quality, which I think even within the next decade will start to pay off.
but if the nuance is too complicated for you, well, we all understand.
Why should older people get more health care they have lived long lives we essentially have a choice. Make it for those who cant pay typically younger to middle age people who can make this country productive. If someone has to miss out y not older people? You will say ahahaah leftist eugenics man! But the true people who have have pracrised discrimination is the right. You deny people based on their economic status. So who is the selective eugenisist
Tell your grand parents that....THEY worked all their lives being productive and now you want them to just die off? Damn, YOU are a piece of work!
Wake Up America!!!! We are getting closer and closer to socialism than you realize....it seems like the American people are walking around with blinders on...what amazes me most is that there are still people out there that think Obama is a good president and they have Obama bumper stickers on their cars...LOL!!!! What a bunch of IDIOTS!!!!
for an example of how the current system is broke and how changes to improve quality over quantity are needed, see:
www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Daily-Reports/2010/April/29/Doctor-Work-Day.aspx
Tom squealed "Oh my god, you can't possibly be this dumb. Please tell me this article is written purely as a satire of some of the ridiculous things the "conservative" side has said during the HCR debate? "
You were dumb enough to swallow everything Obama and the Dems ejaculated down your willing and hungry throat and now you want to blame others for your stupidity. Classic Lieberal.
Young people who voted for Obama think this type of rationing is dandy - old people should just get out of the way. You don't know about the Soviet Union because you've been taught that all systems have "equal" value. You're a poorly educated lot in history, philosophy and thinking logically in general.
Guess what - it will be much, much more heinous when you get old and want to hold on to the gift of life than for people like me in our 50's.
How naive and ignorant young people are who've been raised to keep their noses in their navels.
At least one of you is honest here about getting rid of the elderly "useless eaters." A foreboding term from the 'late 60s. right before baby boomer feminists got their way on abortion.
A nation of spoiled brats.
What a hideous picture of the future if these provisions aren't repealed. But the cheapening of life began on Jan. 22, 1973 - I will never forget it. If unborn children have no right to live - neither will you went you get to your age.
My father was on Medicare and Medicaid until he died in Dec. '08 - he got a HELLUVA LOT OF CARE, but that was before any rationing panel.
He'd be given the sleepy, sleepy cocktail to oblivion if he'd lived into the next decade.
You're an amoral bunch who think this is ethical.
This can all be solved with SANE health care reform. A COMPREHENSIVE plan that is Constitutional and CUTS costs, saves Social Security and offers a better plan for those a decade or more out from receiving it is here
Can be found by visiting the FACEBOOK group
Comprehensive, Constitutional Health Care Reform or seeking the ebook of that title at booklocker dot com
Just proves that the "Hope and Change" administration continues down its path of dissembling.
People who compare private and public insurance should note: I have a CHOICE with private insurance, and I can change companies if I want. With ObamaCare, I take what they will give me.
but no one is forcing you to accept anything, ohio-distortian... except of course your employer, who gives you a limited choice of health insurance options.
TROLL ALERT! WOOT WOOT... Laughing Chimp is paid to spread nasty Obama views here.
i wish i was paid! lol
now, tm, can you tell me what i posted that is incorrect?
I was originally very much against the Death Panel idea, but I recently read a first hand account from someone who is losing his mother and father in law that changed my mind. Just like the writer, I do think it's wrong to impose death; however, the subject is really worth discussing because sometimes it might be wise, and this writer explains it well. This site doesn't take links which I understand for spam, etc., but you need to read this to understand the point. So type your ht tp colon backslash prefix along with the regular bit .ly address and then add this after the dot com /aoRTY5 That should get you there.
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