2012 and the Galactic Center - interview with Dr. Christine Page, Part Two

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As host of The Explore Your Spirit with Kala Show, Kala Ambrose interviewed Dr. Christine Page about her book, 2012 and the Galactic Center. Kala shares this in-depth interview as she and Christine discuss 2012, spirituality and what the future holds for humanity.

Kala: (continued from part one) We've had several guests on the show; Dawson Church, talking about “The Genie in Your Genes”.

Dr. Christine Page: Good.

Kala: Dr. Bruce Lipton and Dr. Norm Shealy and so many wonderful people and yourself included are working on these things and trying to help. We understand this as we grow and move into the future. I want to touch back a little bit into something you have mentioned just a little bit ago when you were speaking about sin and the moon. I've always thought that was so interesting with Mt. Sinai, which was named after the moon god, Sin, and where the 10 Commandments came from, that so many people followed. That it came from the mountain of “sin” but somehow, “sin” became a bad word. It's interesting how—I call them “Public relation campaigns”, they turn things around.

Dr. Christine Page: I know. Isn't it fascinating? It really is. And I think even “hell”, coming from the goddess Hel, the goddess of regeneration, how it got twisted.

Kala: Yes, it seems.

Dr. Christine Page: Like you, probably, I'm only saying that this is information that you may wish to be interested in. I'm not denying anybody's religion. But, when we limit ourselves to only one set of rules or one set of books, then we are going to find ourselves losing our power, frankly.

Kala: I think that's changing now, in this time, that people are becoming more independent. We're seeing this on the Internet really, it's expanding that for everyone to go and research. And as I say, just keep an open mind and if I put something out here for you to think about, if it interests you, don't take my word for it, go research it. It's out there, if you're willing to do the work and look at history. You don't have to believe one person's opinion or thought. There are plenty of people out there sharing that information, and it's just to educate yourself, and to make some decisions for yourself independently.

Dr. Christine Page: And it feels very important, that at this time where we're getting so many impulses from the galaxy—and again, we've got no clue what that looks like—last year, we had 4 months were there were no solar spots. We had no idea what the effect would be. We believed that because there were no flares and no spots, we were getting a greater amount of galactic impulses coming into our awareness. But again, I couldn't say, “Wow. I really felt it.” Do you think the happening has never happened before? Afterwards, never ever measured, that level of lack of activity from the sun?

So, we are being influenced. I think it's coming to our dreams. Many people are talking about their dreams changing and obviously, an increase in awareness and an interest in everything. But it's also to understand that we've always been galactic beings. It's just wakening us up for who we are. We've always been solar beings; we've always been universal beings. This to me is a time for dropping all of the veils of our smallness so we can truly understand ourselves in our large eternalness.

Kala: Christine, we're talking a little bit about solar flares and 2012. Let's get into that. What is happening for 2012? Should people be concerned? And we are seeing more increased activity with the sun and solar flares, what are your thoughts about both of those?

Dr. Christine Page: As I said, I want to say that we had no activity last year, so everything's a little crazy. I think that it's similar somewhat to what everybody's been talking about in climate change. I think I'd like the word change rather than, I suppose what we're seeing is global warming, so we’re also getting global cooling, and I think the idea that we have any clue what it's going to look like is very important for us to just recognize the changes happening.

That change doesn't mean that we have to then stop panicking. We have to see it and what we all chose at this time for us to be here. And again, that is such an important memory to think that this was the life that we asked for. After 26,000 years of life we said, “Please let us be there because our soul cannot make the transformation as fully out-of-body as it can in-body.” This is why I believe we have so many people here on this planet at the moment. We all wanted to be here. But I also know that I meet a lot of people who, ever since they arrived, can't wait to leave.

Kala: Well, I understand that. I think it is such an incredible time to be here, as a soul to help usher in this new age. But it's kind of like being excited about going to Disneyland and then after you're tired and you've been there a long time, you're like, “I just want to go home.”

Dr. Christine Page: We are the creators of the new world and this is a new world. Again, I'm sure you've discussed this but just to remind everybody that, on the 25th of December 2012, this is the end of the Mayan calendar after 5,200 years. This is actually the last calendar of the 26,000 years, each of the five calendars lasting 5,200 years. We're actually in the fifth stage of what is known as the World of the Fourth Sun, according to the Maya and we are about to start the fifth world or the World of the Fifth Sun according to the Maya. And whether we want to go with the Mayan calendar or anybody else's calendars, I have to say every indigenous person's speaking much the same language, whether it's exactly the same date, but we're all talking of this huge wave of consciousness' changing.

When people talk about, “We're coming to the end of the world.” I say, “Yes, we are coming to the end of 'a' world, but not 'the' world.” For us to go through this, this isn't just about us. For once in our life, this isn't everything that’s not about us. This is also about the earth itself or herself. She is going through changes and we're going to see those; as they are earthquakes, or volcanoes, or drought, or drowning. Basically, she's also got to shed herself off all the old patterns just as each of us are going through the same. Then the sun is going through --you know, the sun hasn't been as close to the galaxy for 26,000 years-- extraordinary changes that we haven't got record of, one could say, in our smallness. We're seeing that because we're seeing changes on Mars, and we're seeing changes on other planets. So, it's not all about our SUV's, and it's not all about us for once, but it is a part of us. We are experiencing it because we exist within all these different levels, as well.

And the fifth world brings us in, or then, according to the Maya, they see it as the world ruled by Ether, the rule which is the combination of the other four elements. So the Ether represents non-local realities, the ability to be very much in the present moment. It's the fifth world, which is related to transformation, and according to them, it's related to what they called the fusion of diversity, where light and dark are going to be equally accepted. And this is where we are going to see unity on this planet, through diversity. Not by trying to get rid of one group in order to become all one-way, but by acceptance of all cut types and all beings as part of the great divine, the Great Mother.

I think that's really what the excitement is about. That is going to take a huge shift in our thinking. I think we can have tremendous down loadings coming through our dream state. I know that we are being helped at these times, but truly, what we are all needing to do is shed our own prejudgments and prejudices, and be able to become more complete within our self; more loving of ourselves. The way through first was going to be through love of ourselves—for us to get any further forward.

Kala: Yes, indeed. People fear change so much, I think, that's why there's such a concern right now. Like you mentioned earlier—that it's a period of death and rebirth—people are tending to focus on that fear of a death or an ending and not looking at it as a cycle, that rebirth will follow that. Change is good if we just get that across. Change is a good thing and if people will look back at what were preconceived moments of negative experiences, if you look back at your life and you look at those, you realize that's when you learn the most and probably became a better person for what you went through. If we could see these changes like that—and understand that we go through some of those dark cycles or dark rift, as you said—we are reborn, and we come through.

It seems like at this point in the cosmos, we are opening the heart center, the heart chakra, and being born into a higher love; going from that, third chakra to the fourth chakra in so many ways. What a beautiful time to be here and to experience that, if we can just remember to take a deep breath, that it's going to be okay and that we can get through this.

That's why I'm so glad that there are books out here like this on yours about 2012, because we've had a lot of guests on the show and a lot of people predict some really concerning things for 2012. I think we need to balance that with the other. Maybe there will be some rocky times with it, but things are pretty rocky right now in 2009. So...

Dr. Christine Page: Yes, exactly. You know, I was told by the white Oslo woman that things don't have to be as bad as prophecies have said.

Kala: Yes.

Dr. Christine Page: So, it feels --and I speak to others; indigenous people, who were working very hard to hold the energies and to transform them-- there is progress, I think that that's progress is saying, “The wake-up call is happening,” and people are listening. So, every time another light goes on, there is less reason to go through so much chaos.

Kala: Yes. I always go back to a birth process and just like women have learned, to breathe and to have ease when they're giving birth, and to have people around to help them in that breath. I do think a lot is connected to the breath. If we could learn to slow down and do that, instead of rushing through everything like we are, and connect with ourselves that way and breathe, it will be much like giving birth. Any woman that's ever done that, it helps a lot if you can stay calm and breathe.

Dr. Christine Page: Absolutely, absolutely. Perhaps I can also just share a little bit about what is important of this time. Why are we going through this? What I want to kind of get the idea of is that first, the voices say we are very creative beings and that we all came down here to perfect ourselves—not because we're not perfect—but to bring up perfect essence down here onto this earth.

It's much like having this wonderful jigsaw lid. You've got all the pieces and you've got to put all the pieces together, and then you create that perfect image down here on earth. That's the idea of being born in the image of God. What has happened is that, sometimes, we've put pieces together of our jigsaw that really were never meant to stay together, but we kind of forced them together and it spells okay. Sometimes we created things that we weren't too proud of or the society didn't say was okay, so we have shunned these pieces.

What is happening at the moment, is that anything in which we have separated from needs to now be re owned And re owned without judgment. Literally, re owned through love, being brought to our heart. What we have done in the past is project all the parts of us that we didn't like out into the world. Well, now we're not going to be able to do that as much. That anything we project, anything we judge in someone else is going to come back to us. So what I would say is that anything that we're doing out of fear, or out of guilt, or out of duty, or out of shame, they are the things that are now coming to an end or even after fantasy.

It's not that something's happening to us. It's fact is that our highest self, our divine self, is saying, “Enough of this play making; enough of this beating up on yourself, and enough of this shame.” Time to let go of those stories that are making you feel small and to own that part of yourself, whatever it looks like. Like a child that you're saying, “'I created you', but ooh... I don't want it.” It's part of you, own it. And in owning those parts, we actually bring those parts to our heart, we create more light within our self—more consciousness, more light.

We literally create a stronger light for thee. In increasing a stronger light for thee, we are then able to be greater creators of this new world. But if we shun the light, and if we hide from those parts of our self, our ability to create strong wands of consciousness, wands of transformation are limited. I hope that is kind of a clear way of saying it.

This isn't something happening to us. This is us saying, “I'm ready to be the full being that I am. I'm way ready to step fully into my souls’ incarnation.” To do that, it isn't about helping the world or serving someone else. It's about saying, bringing home all the parts of yourself, that have become separated over the last 26,000 years. That's all we have to do. It's that easy.

Kala: I liken it a lot to looking at our stage of evolvement as humanity as a whole. And that currently, we've been in what I call the “teen stage”, where the teenager, whatever happens at the moment is so important and encompassing, and sometimes, we're ruled by our emotions. We get wrapped up in those emotions and they hold us prisoner, much like we can all remember in our teen years. The drama of the day or whatever happens just had great importance over our lives and affected us tremendously.

Now on this stage of evolvement, it seems to me that we're going to the next level of maturity into young adulthood where we understand more that we are children of the universe, but that we have a destiny and there's more available to us, more than we've realized at that time. And as we're stepping out of the emotions and more into a greater understanding, this is kind of what's unfolding here.

Dr. Christine Page: Very true. Well, I have to say, Kala, I also think that we are also, as elders now. And I think as elders, it's also time for us to be wise--through our ability to own our wisdom. I think that we're all being given the chance to look back over 26,000 years and go, “Okay. That maybe wasn't the best idea. But I did it.”

I think as an elder, you have the time to do it. I absolutely agree with you that we need to take time, to actually be self-reflective, rather, the usual pattern is to say, “I'd love to take time to be self-reflective, but I haven't got it. I'm so busy.” The universe is saying, “You think you're busy? I can make you not busy. You've just lost a job. There we go. You're no longer busy anymore.”

And frankly, that, I think, is what's happening. I will say, having worked 30 years in the health profession, I've listened to people who say, “I haven't got time to take out.” And all of a sudden, they're flat on their back or whatever's happened. The body is really one of our greatest helpers and says, “I will help you to take time to reflect. There we go.”

Kala: Yes. Speaking of that, I'd love to bring you back on the show to talk about your other book “Frontiers of Health,” where we can really talk about the whole person and the body. I'll speak with you about that.

In the interest of time, though, I'm going to move forward on this a little bit. I love Egyptian gods and goddesses and the history there. I love to teach about that. Lately, I've been talking a lot about Sekhmet, and enjoyed reading in your book about Sekhmet and the information there with Ra and how that Sekhmet was attached to Ra's solar rays. Tell us about that and what she was doing there.

Dr. Christine Page: It was interesting. Sekhmet is a very ancient goddess, as far as I'm concerned. I may not be accurate in this, but I believe—I mean, Sekhmet was the great lion goddess, half lion, half man—and to me, I believe that Sekhmet may well have been one of the instruments that came about to produce Sphinx there 13,000 years ago. I'm just putting that in because I think Sekhmet is a very ancient goddess.

I think that when Ra came along—which was relatively recent 5,000 years ago—he had to put Sekhmet somewhere into his, he couldn't have her running loose anymore. And again, if we read back in most ancient cultures, the Sekhmet who is a dark goddess—as is someone like Lilith, or Ereshkigal or Kali—I think these men gods were terrified of them. The dark goddesses always ruled the underworld. Every pharaoh, every king, every god had to go into her lair, into her cauldron in order to achieve his fullness.

And so, I think that when I was reading about Ra and Sekhmet, of course, he is historically changed somewhat, because it was starting with a patriarchic coming through around that time. And of course now, Ra wants to have some power over the people, so he sends Sekhmet down to bring peace. Well, of course, she starts devouring people and she starts to tear them apart and a lot of bleeding goes on. He basically sees that maybe he's got a wild woman here he can't control. So he sends down a sleeping drug that he puts in the blood that she's drinking, and she falls asleep. And there we get this quietening period that goes on.

I think that the symbolism there is multiple. I think there's a symbolism about the whole wild woman which needs to be not tempered by the masculine but beyond, he stood again in the cyclical sense. That there was a quiet period during the menstrual cycle, and then there's a time of a lot of bleeding. So that that quiet period is, of course, after the blood loss we talk about during that time. But, I think it also is telling us something prophetically, that there will be a time where there will be a lot of solar flares. That's what I feel they're telling us, that Sekhmet represents this very strong solar flares, the heating up that's going on. But it's also saying that there will come a time when everything will quiet down, and that she will fall asleep again.

So, I think we're in one of Sekhmet's moments, and I think that we saw increase in volcanic activity and earthquake activity. We're starting to see the underworld, the volcano, the lava starting to rise again as the earth starts to transform.

Kala: I thought that was a fascinating analogy with the solar flares and Sekhmet. It is interesting to look back on that, that we could learn from that and see some of the things that are unfolding right now—on the earth and in the skies above us, of what's happening. That is of great interest and I appreciate that.

Unfortunately, we've run out of time and I have hundreds of other questions we could have delved into, and I know our listeners would have too. But Dr. Page, we enjoyed so much having you on the show. Thank you so much for your time and sharing just a little bit about 2012. I want to give out your website again, which is www.ChristinePage.com and the book is “2012 and the Galactic Center: The Return of the Great Mother”. Again, as I want to mention to our listeners, really one of my favorite books explaining this about past, present and future. If this subject interests you, this is the book to have in your library.

Thank you so much for your time.

Dr. Christine Page: Thank you. Such a pleasure and such a kindred spirit. So we could talk forever, I know. Thank you.