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D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties

May 18, 2007 10:41 AM (564 days ago) by Michael Neibauer, The Examiner
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The District this week condemned four vacant homes owned by the controversial Shiloh Baptist Church in Shaw.
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The District this week condemned four vacant homes owned by the controversial Shiloh Baptist Church in Shaw.
WASHINGTON (Map, News) - Four vacant homes in the heart of Shaw, all owned by a controversial Baptist church, have been condemned by the D.C. government as a possible danger to the community. The D.C. Department of Consumer and Regulatory Affairs, which posted the condemnation notices Wednesday, gave Shiloh Baptist Church 15 days to repair its properties at 1528, 1532, 1534 and 1536 Ninth St. NW.

According to public notices on the buildings, the city’s Board for the Condemnation of Insanitary Buildings considers the properties “in such insanitary condition as to endanger the health or the lives of the occupants thereof and/or persons in the vicinity.”

It is unknown whether the condemnation notices have been delivered to Shiloh officials. The church did not return calls for comment. Shiloh, located for decades at the corner of Ninth and P streets, was offered the chance to upgrade its properties but failed to do so, DCRA spokeswoman Karyn-Siobhan Robinson said. In the next two weeks, the church will be required to install permanent roofs, fix brickwork and masonry, install gutters and down spouts, and clean the interiors.

“The board’s goal in all this is the repair and preservation of the buildings,” Robinson said. If Shiloh does not make the necessary improvements, DCRA will be  authorized to do the work and then file a lien against the properties for the cost, Robinson said. In 2006, the church paid more than $68,600 in real estate taxes, including penalties, on the condemned buildings, which together are valued at more than $2 million.

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Shiloh Baptist and its half-dozen vacant properties are at the heart of a clash over gentrification among Shaw residents, and the church is the frequent subject of debate.

“They contribute to illegal activities,” Alex Padro, Shaw Advisory Neighborhood Commission member, said of the vacant homes. “They contribute to a lack of progress in commercial revitalization. They’re basically a symbol of the failure of the church to support the community.” Shiloh has reportedly refused to sell its properties to prevent their conversion into condominiums. Leroy Thorpe, a former Shaw ANC commissioner, said he can’t blame the church.

“You’ve got the newcomers who’ve come to the community who are dividing the community along racial lines in an effort to push people out,” Thorpe said Thursday.

mneibauer@dcexaminer.com

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1:18 PM MST on Mon., Jul. 2, 2007 re: "D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties"

Examiner Reader said:
Why don't Mr. do right move. if he does not like the way the neighborhood look move!!!!!!! Common sense should tell him if the property is not repair, there must be a money problem, and he is not prepare to help with , so just be quiet or fork up some money. Move to md or Va, they will be glad to have youmot there. This for Mr. Ray Milefsky

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8:51 AM MST on Fri., May. 25, 2007 re: "D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties"

Examiner Reader said:
Hmmn..., days go by and no response to the canceled meetings or proof of the supposed art galleries/coffee shops pushing out long time businesses. This is all those people that want the status quo have. Make false statements and play the race card. Truly pathetic! Also, Ms. Jasmine, the YMCA on W Street close to 14th is getting a complete overall due to the changing dynamic of the neighborhood. The same can happen 5 blocks over here so I suggest you demand that Shiloh stops being a bad neighbor. The children of the neighborhood will now be able to benefit from the reconstructed YMCA...."with an all-new mission-driven $15 million 45,000 square foot facility that will allow the community to come together in many ways. The new YMCA building will include a 25-meter indoor swimming pool and locker rooms, basketball court, wellness center, child care rooms, rooftop terrace, community rooms, offices, and more." WITHOUT all us HORRIBLE folk moving in this WOULD NEVER have happened!

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3:46 PM MST on Wed., May. 23, 2007 re: "D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties"

Examiner Reader said:
Ah progress, we all really do want the same things. But this pleading poverty thing is getting old. Shiloh made a mint selling to NPS, they wont even fix their broken awnings on the child care center. Makes no sense at all.

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3:35 PM MST on Wed., May. 23, 2007 re: "D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties"

Examiner.com Reader said:
Hey jasmine, i'm Ok with what you're saying but please, please please stop using ALL CAPITAL letters -- someone already mentioned it but all caps means you're YELLING and makes you seem less credible. This discussions is too important for both sides to distract everyone by not understanding online common etiquette. Having said that, I think what you're yelling about is important.

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2:55 PM MST on Wed., May. 23, 2007 re: "D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties"

Examiner Reader said:
I hear what you are saying... so hopefully with the development of the Howard Theater that will provide a place where Jazz & Blues can thrive. I'm a classical musician so I can relate to that calling. The dance and martial arts studios I think are great ideas as well. Shiloh should sell 2-3 of their properties, fix up these 4 and utilize the ground floors for these types of businesses & the upper floors for rental units. As for the Hair Salon problem, I feel your pain, I need to go all the way out to Virgina to get my hair cut. Regarding the shootings that are taking place, the more development you have in the area will create a deterrent for crime. The more people walking the streets discourages would be criminals. These vacant properties, Shiloh is not the only violator, are contributing to that environment.

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2:30 PM MST on Wed., May. 23, 2007 re: "D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties"

Examiner Reader said:
I didn't bring your child into this, you did to try and bring more substance to your statements. All I said was that instead of allowing these owners to get away with breaking the law, which negatively effects the community, you should be a better role model to your child. What type of development would you like to see? No one here is against affordable or senior housing. If that is Shiloh's plan, well it's time that they put action to their words. Their time is up for their decades of neglect. They need to sell some of their property now in order to fix up the houses on their block.

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2:27 PM MST on Wed., May. 23, 2007 re: "D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties"

Examiner Reader said:
So participate, stop believing what Leroy Thorpe tells you, and please stop screaming.

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1:56 PM MST on Wed., May. 23, 2007 re: "D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties"

Examiner.com Reader said:
Spread the truth! I don't know why people are trying to tiptoe around the issue. When the Convention Center was built before you know it Kennedy Playground was remodeled, Immaculate Conception was so called remodeled, so was Washington Apartments and other housing complex. There is nothing wrong with improvement but some people knew good and well it was not for all the present residence! I only know of one meeting that was rescheduled without proper notice and I think it was about the dog park or parking. I have attended those ANC meetings and its a bunch of craziness. We need a re-election and more representation from the Asian and African American Community. If I have to go out and hand flyers out every day I will. It makes no sense the lack of representation from us. As far as Shiloh they need to take a lesson from the UHOP they developed housing for the members. Shiloh needs to get it together.

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1:54 PM MST on Wed., May. 23, 2007 re: "D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties"

Examiner Reader said:
So what exactly are you shocked over? That people in the neighborhood do not want to live next to vacant deteriorating buildings? That we want these properties to be charged with the vacant tax rate? What exactly are you so enraged over? That we are not allowing people/organizations/businesses etc. from getting away with breaking the law? You should set a better example for your child. If the worst thing you can say about me/us, whatever, is that we care about the way the community looks and take an interest in being responsible neighbors then bring it on.

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1:08 PM MST on Wed., May. 23, 2007 re: "D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties"

Examiner Reader said:
I hope this is the "End of the discussion" for you as you bring no value to it. Let me be elementary for you. A 'residence' is a place where people live. 'Residents' live in domiciles. "yall" would be punctuated as y'all -- You are the one that needs a elementary re-education as you are acting like a child and show that you have the writing skills of one.

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12:56 PM MST on Wed., May. 23, 2007 re: "D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties"

Examiner Reader said:
How do you know how long i have lived in shaw or what race I am? Fine, if i tell you I have lived here for 20 years and I support Shiloh following the law and cleaning up, will you agree? And what meetings were you talking about? You still haven't answered.

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12:34 PM MST on Wed., May. 23, 2007 re: "D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties"

Examiner Reader said:
let me say what he is trying to say in a more elementary terms since you all seem somewhat dense....in a nut shell ALL THESE YEARS THE MINORITIES HAVE BEEN LIVING IN SHAW NO ONE WAS THAT CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THEM NOW THAT THE COMMUNITY IS MORE "DIVERSED" EVERYONE WANTS TO DICTATE WHAT OTHERS SHOULD AND SHOULD NOT BE DOING. END OF THE DISCUSION I will let some other long term residence come in and debate yall are just proving my point more and more.

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11:30 AM MST on Wed., May. 23, 2007 re: "D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties"

Examiner Reader said:
Shawforlife -- More comments. I would like you to expand upon your accusations about these meetings. Which meetings would these be? I agree that these issues should be dealt within the constraints of the established community groups -- ANC2C etc. However, what have they done to get these issues addressed over the years? If they had been putting appropriate pressure on our City Agencies and elected officials we would be seeing a different landscape on 9th street. If you already don't do so, go to a ANC2c meeting and see what is really going on. I seriously doubt that the Shiloh Properties will ever be on an agenda for this ANC's term. A unelected individual has no interest in seeing any resolution to this matter.

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11:22 AM MST on Wed., May. 23, 2007 re: "D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties"

Examiner Reader said:
Shawforlife... Yes, you can say what you want. It is a free country and you are allowed to express your views. However, stating racial remarks to deflect the issue will get you no where. For the record, I am a property owner who pays property taxes so this is my community as well, so what goes on in this community is my business. I would really love to know what coffee shop or art gallery has displaced long standing businesses. It is my perception, from living here for quite a few years, that the new businesses on 9th Street have all gone in vacant properties that have been vacant for years if not decades. I have a right to demand of my City that they enforce the laws that are on the books. I have the right to have the City enforce these laws to make my community safer and to protect my property values.

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10:09 AM MST on Wed., May. 23, 2007 re: "D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties"

Examiner Reader said:
O man its all over now! Organic food, art and coffee shops, what's next! Hey if I have to dodge crackheads trash & poop when i walk down the street, it is my business. Sorry you like segregation and living in a run down slum, most of us dont.

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9:42 AM MST on Wed., May. 23, 2007 re: "D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties"

SHAWFORLIFE said:
First and formost I can say what I want. Its funny how when people state the truth people get upset ...if you have not lived in this community for more than 10 years you can't really understand where I am coming from. I said yes the place is a nusiance but that is THEIR property MIND YOUR BUSINESS. Those properties have been their for years. Anyone saying that the Shaw area is not being rejuvinated to appeal to a certain style and group of people are either stupid or living in fantasy land. Like I stated I have been here for 21 years in the last 4 years they have upgraded Kennedy playground but it was okay before then to damn near be falling apart. The Giant actually used to be better than it is now, but now they have a liquor aisle and all this organic food. Stores that have been their for years are now gone and replaced with art galleries and coffee shops. This area is not a place that appeals to EVERYONE...its on sided.

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9:05 AM MST on Wed., May. 23, 2007 re: "D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties"

Examiner Reader said:
Actually Shawforlife, the Government has told you what you can do to your property through Historic District Status and Zoning Laws. FYI, you can't paint your brick house if it has never been painted before. These are laws that have been passed by _Our_ Government and Shiloh is in violation of those laws. So unless you're advocating lawlessness and divisiveness in _Our_ community I would watch what you say. It is a shame that the Church has gotten away with this for so many years with the protesting of as you said, "when the black folks were trying to do things it was knocked down" Now you have allies in the community that are helping long standing issues get addressed, don't hate us for it and don't use your racist remarks referring to how whites want things. I'm pretty confident to say that no one really cares what Shiloh does with the properties as long as they are in good condition and occupied -- affordable, senior, it doesn't matter.

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8:35 AM MST on Wed., May. 23, 2007 re: "D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties"

Examiner Reader said:
You mean the ANC meetings Leroy Thorpe told Doris Brooks to cancel? What are you talking about? So by your logic, anyone can move into the neighborhood but they have to keep their mouth shut? How long do they have to stay before they can talk? A year? 5? 20? No one is telling you what to do with your house. A church is arguably public and nonprofit. What they do or dont do affects many many people. Their own members who have to walk by that mess every week and the rest of the community. They are not above the law.

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6:35 AM MST on Wed., May. 23, 2007 re: "D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties"

SHAWFORLIFE said:
I know for a fact that at least 3 of the last scheduled meetings were mysteriously rescheduled to another date and time. Leroy Thorpe may have his faults but you can't hate the man for stating the truth. I have been living in this area since I was a child and like I stated before yes its an eye sore. But this constant over powering attention paid to that church and their property has gotten out of control. Like I said before and I really hate being redundant that a lot of all this hoopla has happened when all these new people (black,white or whatever) moved back into the city. There is a way of doing things. I personally think they should make affordable housing for their members and anyone who wants to move in the area, but its not my choice its theirs. No one is going to tell me what to and not to do to my home and that should be respected across the board. When no one wanted to move in this area everything was fine and dandy. Get a grip!

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11:27 AM MST on Tue., May. 22, 2007 re: "D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties"

Examiner Reader said:
Well sure sounds like you are pro segregation when you tell "white folks" to stay in their "boundaries" & "lanes". Newsflash: not every "newcomer" is white. And not every person who wants Shiloh to clean its eyesores is a new resident of the neighborhood. It is a big fat myth. No one is telling Shiloh to paint the buildings purple and plant daisies. The government is doing its job and enforcing the law. it is illegal to demolish a building in a historic district by neglect. It is illegal to allow vagrants to trash the property. It is illegal to let the weeds grow high. Can you honestly say anyone wants this to continue? Just because Leroy Thorpe tells you divisive lies about "the newcomers" or secret meetings, it doesn't mean its true. We all want less trash, less drugs, and less violence. Race, longevity and LT are completely irrelevant. Agreed, major changes should have everyone's input. The more dialog the better & we can get out of this divisive mindset. Tell your A

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10:35 AM MST on Tue., May. 22, 2007 re: "D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties"

SHAWFORLIFE said:
I am not pro segregation but I do believe that you just don't go into ANYTHING or ANYWHERE trying to make changes without EVERYONE's input. Most of the meetings that are held are never relayed to the residence and then when it is they mysteriously change it at the last minute. Yes the property is an eye sore but its not your property. No one goes in your house and tell you when and how to clean it do they? No one comes by your home and tell you what color to paint or plants are acceptable and not acceptable. So people need to be mindful or what and how they say things to people.

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8:43 AM MST on Tue., May. 22, 2007 re: "D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties"

Examiner Reader said:
So I take it you are pro segregation?

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8:01 AM MST on Tue., May. 22, 2007 re: "D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties"

SHAWFORLIFE said:
I have been living in this area since 1986 and those buildings have been like that for years. It amazes me how these new people are moving into our community trying to dictate what we are and aren't going to do with things. I am all for improvement but some people need to stay in their lanes. What u did in the suburbs is not going to fly in the city. Shaw has been a prodominanly black neighborhood now the white folks are moving in trying to change things to fit what they want. But when the black folks were trying to do things it was knocked down I agree with Thorpe. People are overstepping their boundaries and its going to cause major problem. This is not racial just fact. You can't come into a neighborhood that has been living in peace for years then start foolishness. Has anyone noticed since the Shaw area has become diversified more crimes have been happening but no you would blame that on the black folks but we have been here for years and it was not that bad! UMP

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7:02 AM MST on Mon., May. 21, 2007 re: "D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties"

Examiner Reader said:
How dare you use an ignorant racist such as Leroy Thorpe to fan the flames of racism that he is relentless in spreading in Shaw. Does the Examiner have any journalistic integrity at all? How on earth did you find it approriate to close the article with such a false racist rant from perhaps the biggest liar in Northwest DC?

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9:23 AM MST on Sat., May. 19, 2007 re: "D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties"

Examiner Reader said:
We need to find out when the Condemnation Board hearings is. The hearings are open to the public though they are not publicized.

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3:17 PM MST on Fri., May. 18, 2007 re: "D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties"

Examiner Reader said:
No one lives in these vacant, nuisance properties so who is being pushed out? The vacant, nuisance properties undeveloped by Shiloh add nothing to the neighborhood. The only benefit to having vacant properties is decreased demand for parking so Shiloh parishoners from MD and VA can drive their cars and find parking more easliy. If the Shiloh properties are developed then there is an increased demand for parking.

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2:36 PM MST on Fri., May. 18, 2007 re: "D.C. condemns four Shaw church properties"

Examiner Reader said:
The examiner should learn that Leroy Thorpe is FAR from unbiased and to quote him without context is ridiculous. I guess this is why I never read the examiner- absolute crap! I only came here becasue of the link on inshaw.com...

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11:27 AM MST on Fri., May. 18, 2007 re: "Four Shaw properties condemned"

Examiner Reader said:
Help me understand what "newcomers," Mr. Thorpe's code word for white people, have to do with holding a irresponsible landowner that owns millions of dollars of property around the Shaw neighborhood accountable for its neglect that has gone on for 30 years? They are just waiting for the historic buildings to fall down so they don't have to repair them and can make more $$$ and have fought to destroy minority-owned businesses in the area (Queen of Sheba, Vegetate, etc.) so their vacant properties have company. If there is a legitimate reason for keeping all of these properties boarded up for decades, let's here it. Oh, but church officials doesn't return calls (or respond to government or neighbor requests for action). The Examiner shouldn't give such blatantly racist views paper, unless there's some rationale basis or evidence to support them.

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11:04 AM MST on Fri., May. 18, 2007 re: "Four Shaw properties condemned"

Examiner Reader said:
A plea to the local media... Please keep your light shining on this issue - there's more to this story... Don't fall for Shiloh's "imminent plans" excuse they've used for the last 20+ years... Mr. Thorpe is NOT an elected official and does not speak for anyone but Mr. Thorpe...please stop giving him a platform he does not deserve...

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10:18 AM MST on Fri., May. 18, 2007 re: "Four Shaw properties condemned"

Examiner Reader said:
Mr. Thorpe's continued attempts to deflect attention and responsibility for the decades-old disgrace of these Shiloh properties says far more about him (and by association, Shiloh) than about the residents whom he attacks. Everyone I know in Shaw -- of all colors, creeds, types and lengths of residency here -- wants to improve the quality life here for _all_residents. And they are succeeding! Mr. Thorpe's legacy, such as it is, will be that he blocked that effort. The voters of ANC2 have shown him the door; it's unfortunate that the media continue to give his irrelevant views a platform.

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9:35 AM MST on Fri., May. 18, 2007 re: "Four Shaw properties condemned"

Examiner Reader said:
Leory Thorpe, plain and simple, is the only racist/bigot in this story, dividing our community for no other reason than to feed his 'power hungry' appetite. I hold Jack Evans culpable for his refusal to censure Mr. Thorpe, our ANC UNELECTED parlemetarian.

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9:16 AM MST on Fri., May. 18, 2007 re: "Four Shaw properties condemned"

Examiner Reader said:
Leroy, you are uneducated and ignorant! Alex & Kevin (ANC Commissioners) are both African American. We are finally holding people/organizations/etc accountable for their actions or lack of. The only race problem here is you playing the race card to justify this Church lying and deceiving the community.

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9:09 AM MST on Fri., May. 18, 2007 re: "Four Shaw properties condemned"

Examiner Reader said:
I am not a newcomer. I have lived in the neighborhood for 21 years and have ranted that long about Shiloh's neglect of the community and their DOZEN vacant properties on Ninth, Eighth and Q Streets. They have treated the neighbors shoddily and oppose any legitimate development. They were paid off royally by Rep. Norton for two properties to go toward the Woodson National Historic Site, which, we found out recently, won't get off the ground for at least a decade from now. We have reason to be peeved at that arrogant church in our midst and a city, which for too long, has neglected our pleas for redress. Ray Milefsky, 817 Q Street, NW

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8:53 AM MST on Fri., May. 18, 2007 re: "Four Shaw properties condemned"

Examiner Reader said:
I walk by these buildings every day on my way to work. They are a disgrace to the community. I have lived (and voted) in the neighborhood for 20 years and believe that Shiloh should sell the properties. Perhaps their proceeds could go to benefiting the neighborhood. ps. as an minority in the district, I find Mr. Leroy Brown's comments racist.

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8:05 AM MST on Fri., May. 18, 2007 re: "Four Shaw properties condemned"

Examiner Reader said:
whoa whoa whoa, the "newcomers" are dividing the community along racial lines? people have been moving into and out of shaw for decades for myriad reasons, and the people have been asian, black, white, hispanic, gay, straight....from all walks of life. these recent problems have been drawn out by one community, though, and that is leroy's community. it's not any race or creed that typifies this community, it's simply dead-enders....like the ba'ath party in iraq. all leroy fights for is the status quo and nothing else. and if he has to accuse white people to accomplish his ends, then so be it, that's what he'll do.

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