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WASHINGTON (Map, News) - A bipartisan majority of the Senate killed an effort Wednesday to strip $100 million out of the “emergency” war spending bill that is set aside for the 2008 presidential conventions.
“You are asking your grandchildren to pay for a party you’re having today,” Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., said moments before the Senate voted 51-45 to keep the spending in the $121 billion bill.
Sen. Norm Coleman, R-Minn., and Sen. Ken Salazar, D-Colo., defended the money for their home states, saying the money will pay for security in a “post-9/11 world.”
Fiscal conservatives were outraged. Sen. Lindsay Graham, R-S.C., called the bill laden with nearly $20 billion in “pork” a “national disgrace” and said it is “blood money.”
“Any congressman or senator who wants to sell their votes for a project back home and deny funding for the troops has really let the country down,” he said.
President Bush has said the bill contains so much pork he intends to veto it.
Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., defended the heavy spending for farmers in the bill.
“It’s not pork,” he said. “It’s in this country’s best interest to help those family farmers.”
Coburn, Graham and Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., sent letters to lobbyists for recipients of the pork — including the mayors of Denver and St. Paul — asking them to forgo the cash from Congress.
“Is it really a national emergency critical to winning the war on terror for the cities hosting the Republican National Convention and the Democratic National Convention in 2008 to receive matching $50 million grants as called for in the Senate bill?” they wrote in the letter.
The senators want the pork recipients “to stand up as Americans — not as spinach growers, not as milk producers not as tree farmers — and say this is not the time or the place to hold our troops hostage to some parochial need,” DeMint said.
Coburn, who was a famous thorn in the side of big-spending fellow Republicans when they were in control, called it the “character flaw of Congress.”
“We see it with gambling addicted people,” he said. “You [are] always going to win on the come, except the come is never going to come. What’s going to happen is that we’re going to shackle our grandchildren.”
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Bobbie Viszolay said:
Hey Folks!!!! Jesus Christ is coming back Give your life to him and you will be saved (live forever) Do NOT except the mark a chip in bedded in the head or hand with info. ALSO...If you dont believe me read revelations and john 3:16 do it if you are interested in knowing the one and only GOD HIMSELF JESUS CHRIST THE LIVING SON OF GOD. he will accept ANYONE thats right ANYONE who comes to him. Say JESUS SAVE ME. He will in NOWAY turn any soal away. THere is a fate if you dont. I am not crazy its for real!!!!!!
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Many and Etcetera cover tons if not all jobs and job descriptions. The writer of the article states that these Questions are being asked and used as a job qualifications from the lowest positions in the neighborhood supermarket all the way to the highest positions corporate America. This is The Mark of Cain. Is it not true that in today’s society? That there has been misconduct, corruption, sexual abuse, tax fraud, theft, and murder all committed by people who have held jobs in the field mentioned by (always) before these people were arrested were they considered Non-criminals, and are they still Americans and are Ex-Convicts still Americans. Sincerely. RHJR.
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public background checks are flawed and in some cases they should be treated as criminal because there are thousands of people with the same name and mix-ups are an often occurrence ( always states: In previous times, a criminal was permanently ostracized from society. In our current, more humane times, we house, feed, clothe, allow conjugal visits to, educate, and rehabilitate criminals.) This seems to refer to individuals that are presently incarcerated the issue here is the Ex-Convicts search for employment and now that the Ex-Convict has been educated and rehabilitated what should he or she do to support themselves and their families. Is it not ostracizing for a Job Interviewer or Job Application to ask Ex-Convicts or anyone for that matter: Have you ever been arrested, or have you ever been convicted of a crime. (always states: For many jobs, YES, it makes a huge difference whether one is a convicted criminal or not--being a teacher, law enforcement officer, tax accountant, etc.)
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. These questions on a job application should not be there, they are self-incriminating, they are inhibiting, they are unforgiving, and they are extremely severe punishment for people who have paid their debts to society this is The Mark of Cain and again does the Punishment fit the Crime? and, are Ex-Convicts still Americans? Sincerely. RHJR
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, employment to support their families and themselves when the Job Interviewer or the Job Application asks the Ex-Convict if he or she has ever been arrested or convicted of a crime: these Questions can cause a good person to become a liar out of fear of not securing a job thus inhibiting them to provide for their families and these Questions are being asked and are appearing on applications for the supposed reasons of a background check from the lowest positions in the neighborhood supermarkets all the way to the highest positions in corporate America. This can not be fair because an interviewer or the reader of a job application is first human and we as humans can not un-hear something or un-see something if an Ex-Convict answers Yes to these questions then he or she will most likely not get the job, whether they’re qualified or not, and if an Ex-Convict answers No then he or she will be fired when the background check comes back showing the dishonest answer. These questions on
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I do not approve of criminal behavior, the issue here is does the punishment fit the crime. Whether the charge is a violation, misdemeanor or felony in the state of New York and most other states as well these arrest are never removed from your history and also these arrest become public record and anyone that might want to view them can, I think this is extremely severe punishment especially after the persons time has been served. There are Ex-Convicts of all degrees and many of them are and have been truly rehabilitated some have totally re-invented themselves, some have spent lots of time and money, they have completed school courses and gained Degrees and Educational success, they have gained the respect of family and peers and much more. However (they cringe when they are forced to relive the errors of there past, a past that they have repented for many times over and over and now feel that they have become good members of our American society) when they seek honest hard work, em
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7/2/2008 The Mark of Cain / Ex-Convicts and their Search for employment Dear, Fox 5 News Team. I know that criminals and crime are a big problem in the USA and all over the world for that matter I also know that there have been terrible crimes committed by horrible people. Fox 5 News Team, in the news last month (June, 2008) the Supreme Court did not approve the Death penalty for convicted Child Predators / Molesters stating that the punishment did not fit the crime if that is the case then, why does the Ex- Convict with far less crimes against them, after all of his or her time has been served, all penalties paid, all that is asked of them by the courts and society are done, why must they go through the rest of their lives with The Mark of Cain (X) upon them, I use this phrase because it is Biblical as is the phrase In God We Trust which as we all know is used in our courts, on our money, and in numerous other aspect and respects of our daily American lives ,again I do not
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Big Brother's Watching / But Who's Helping? On the plights of the Ex-Convict and please keep in mind that even if the Ex-Convict does re-offend that there are more extensive repercussions and consequences as there are the three strikes laws for felonies and more time and or payment for repeat offenders of any degree so there for there is no justification to pre-judge the Ex-Convict or to inflict what seems like the perpetual sentence of the British Law ( Guilty Until Proven Innocent ).Background checks and questions that separate a particular class of people on Job Applications are un-fair and can be self- incriminating and definitely discriminatory,after all this is America the greatest country in the world and Americans do have rights, again are Ex-Convicts still Americans? Sincerly. RHJR.
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I persoanly do not care if they all close because i do not frequent bars and never did becaue of all the dam smoke.
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It's about time!!! These people should be locked up, and the key thrown away. They are not going to change. Once a sex offender, always a sex offender. I think these people should be released to the families of the kids they victimized!!! Now that's justice!!!
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Just because someone did something in the past doesn't mean they will do it again....and just because someone else has "no prior record" doesn't mean they won't commit a crime!
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I am a concerned citizen, with a family member that has been in jail for over 81/2 yrs. all for a drug charge ,there has been worse convicted felons and released on major crimes .I think this program would be a chance to give certain individuals who are tyring to change there life the oppertunity to do so .
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