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Eldersburg, Md. (Map, News) - A developer plans to convert Eldersburg’s half-empty mall into a shopping center that mimics traditional downtowns.
“I envision a great place for the people of Eldersburg to gather, shop, eat and work,” said Dixon Harvey, an Owings Mill developer who owns Carrolltown Center on Liberty Road.
Eldersburg residents have watched Carrolltown devolve from a bustling mall where people used to “mall walk” to a place where even sales associates lament its decline. Many Eldersburg residents shop at The Mall in Columbia or Westminster TownMall.
“All the time, I get questions about ‘What’s happening with Carrolltown mall?’ ” said Nicole Musgrave-Burdette, president of Freedom Area Citizens’ Council, a South Carroll residents’ group.
“A lot of people are disappointed in how it’s gone downhill.”
Musgrave-Burdette said she remembers shopping at the mall in the 1980s, when it was a busy, open-air center with a fountain and food court.
But then “the food court shut down, so no one would spend time there because you couldn’t eat,” she said.
Today, the mall is enclosed and features Kmart, Peebles, Big Lots, Flagship Cinemas, Blockbuster Video, Kustom Kuts Salon, Denny’s restaurant and Bank of America.
The stores were moved to the mall’s perimeter to make way for renovations, but reconstruction has been slow, blocking shoppers from walking store-to-store indoors.
Harvey, who is president of Black Oak Associates, wants to convert the 330,000-square-foot mall into an open-air lifestyle center with retail, restaurants, entertainment and offices to give Eldersburg — an unincorporated community of 30,000 that lacks a Main Street — a town center.
Redevelopment is slated for 2008-09, according to Black Oak’s Web site, but Harvey said no timeline has been finalized because he is negotiating with Kmart, the mall’s anchor.
Kimberly Freely, a spokeswoman for Sears Holdings Co., which Kmart owns, said the store was committed to remaining in the development but couldn’t comment on the details of the negotiations.
Harvey will speak at this month’s Freedom Area Citizens’ Council meeting.
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» What: Carrolltown Center discussion
» When: 7:30 p.m. Feb. 22
» Where: Freedom Christian Church, Carrolltown Center
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SFLiberal said:
Valleyboy, you are delusional. Nobody in their right mind would consider San Jose the premier city in the Bay Area. That is ridiculous! Bigger doesn't mean better. I mean, seriously, most people in the U.S. and the World don't even know where San Jose is. Most people know and admire San Francisco. I used to live in San Jose. I didn't hate it but come on! It is no San Francisco. San Francisco has everything, culture, cool nightlife, amazing restaurants, beautiful parks, the Bay, the Ocean, and its walkable with good mass transit. San Jose, by many counts, is an overgrown suburb. The Silicon Valley is very important, I agree. But San Francisco captures everyones' hearts, not San Jose. Seriously. Your envy is pretty apparent. Be happy for what you have but don't get irrational about it. San Francisco is the best city on the Earth. San Jose is a pretty good city located in the High Tech Capitol of the World. I give it that.
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SFLiberal said:
What the Bay Area needs to do is cap the population and stop ALL NEW DEVELOPMENT. We need to preserve what we have. Illegal Immigration is also not good because it puts pressure on the population to grow, use more resources and contribute to sprawl. CAP THE POPULATION! STOP DEVELOPMENT! PERIOD.
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Bay Area Taxpayer said:
The entire reason for expansion onto open land is to increase tax revenue to the city or county where the land is located. The resulting gradual degradation of quality of life for existing inhabitants whether it be endangered butterflies or endangered human beings is not an issued for goverments. Money is number one always. People's lives and the quality is never an issue. Money is always short in San Mateo County and almost all of its cities due to fiscal mismanagement by their respective governments. One can fight for the land but eventually with eventual over-population there is no way to stop it ... think of it as the beginning of the end. Have a nice day.
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Examiner Reader said:
I would understand if the article was talking about development displacing a piece of nature. But this is about building something on a site of a shuttered factory in the middle of an urban area near 2 rail lines. Who in their right mind can be against that?
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Examiner Reader said:
why are we apparently attempting to cover every bit of open land in the bay area with development? as if traffic isn't already bad enough and mass-transit isn't fully challenged trying to handle the current level of commuters.
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Examiner Reader said:
I live in Brisbane too close and say NO! Every low-rent neighborhood invites more problems. The old Geneva Towers were torn down twice, lest we forget.
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Examiner Reader said:
I reside in Foster City and totally agree with this article. There is entirely too much development being proposed!
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Examiner Reader said:
san carlos laurel street is filthy with litter and shops closing and moving to better locations. No population growth , just more filth and litter.
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Examiner Reader said:
ValleyBoy, you have no idea what you're talking about. San Jose has more people than SF (though your numbers are definitely a bit off), yes, but SF has nearly twice as many jobs and is four times as densely populated. San Jose remains the only city in the United States of more than 500,000 people to lose population during the day when people go to work - San Francisco's population gains several hundred thousand people during working hours. Places that lose population when people leave their homes to go to work are what's known as suburbs. San Francisco county also covers only 47 square miles, while Santa Clara county covers more than 1200. Can you grasp how total population is fairly meaningless when you consider the huge gap in the amount of space available in each area? San Francisco remains the major city in the region and that won't be changing. Get used to it
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ValleyBoy said:
This article is absurdly provincial. Any story about ABAG has to relate how it affects the biggest most important city in the nine county San Jose Bay Area, which is: San Jose, NOT San Francisco. San Jose will top 1 Million people in August (more or less). San Francisco is arguing with the Census bureau if it does or does not have more that 749,000 people, the same population it had in 1950. From a journalistic point of view, the article SHOULD have compared ABAG's requirements to actual growth, vs Cal Dept of Finance projects. SF is projected to grow by less than 1%, while San Jose will do 5-7%. It is a demographic certainty that San Jose will be twice as large as San Francisco by 2020. Why does this article focus on a second tier city like San Francisco ? San Mateo only has 707,000 people living there, Santa Clara almost 2 million. Why not mention the important places like San Jose and Santa Clara instead of burying your head in the sand
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Bay Area Taxpayer said:
There are hundreds of formaldehyde spewing FEMA trailers still unused and leftover from Katrina ... Newsome make the call ,make it happen ...ship them to SF ...mission accomplished.
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Examiner Reader said:
benches and gardens will only invite bums and vagrants.
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Examiner Reader said:
""Under the draft plan, crosswalks would become more prolific; parking lanes would be replaced with benches and gardens; traffic would be slowed and squeezed into narrower streets; concrete footpaths would be replaced with rainwaterabsorbing dirt, plants and trees; and “generous” sidewalks would be built with plenty of curb ramps."" Such a radical progressive idea, and in District 6? Hey isnt that Stupervisor Daly's District? Won't such improvements cause gentrification? Me thinks that the good Stupervisor should be 100% against these gentrification projects...imagine trees, gardens and benches in District 6!!
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Examiner Reader said:
""SoMa resident Jim Mekko said that eight to 10 years ago the downtown neighborhood was “ground zero” of the dot-com boom and bust and the funds would bring needed relief to the community."" Not exactly sure what dot-com bust has to do with the topic at hand? The people that live in my area are working class people and lots of Philipino families with kids. I talk with them lots and what they want more than anything and what nobody including our supervisor has delivered is crime free streets. We dont care anymore about much of anything else. ""Daly praised the committee’s work, saying it would put the money “into the hands of the community folks that can do good to mitigate some of the negative impacts from very large development that is happening in the South of Market.”" Well we are community folk. We do not need the money we want safety. There are kids right down the block that cannot go outside because of the drug users. All the other trash we can live with we want safety.
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Examiner Reader said:
In reference to Elkridge and it's designation for affordable housing and high density, I would be most interested in an update from DPZ and the State Highway Administration on how the traffic will be handled at an acceptable level of "C" or better, particularly as one heads north into Baltimore County. A plan to handle traffic going to UMBC, Catonsville Community College, the Arbutus train station and BWI airport and commercialdistrict needs to be designed & implemented before the density is completed. Mass transit by light rail or bus line needs to be in place to support the existing and limited Route 1 right-of-way through Elkridge and into Arbutus. For once, can we not put the infrastructure in place BEFORE the density?
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Examiner Reader said:
Well yes of course it makes perfect sense to build 400 foot residential towers along South Van Ness from Mission to Market cause nobody in the Hayes Valley area of the Market and Octavia Neighborhood Plan area would have tolerated those monsters. Oh yes, the towers will provide limited to no off street parking, they will cast shadows into residential enclaves where over 400 people now live less than 20 yards to the east in the Western SOMA, create street level winds to rival Fox Plaza. So much for the San Francisco urban fabric which will be torn in this part of The City. No where else has such a disruption been allowed by placing 400 feet towers 20 yards from two story residential. Oh wait, I seem to recall this type of land use proximity in Bangkok. The watch word in San Francisco circles is...dump it in SOMA they wont care. Goes for pot clubs, regional serving night clubs and so called "light industrial use" what a laugh. Now you Supervisors show some backbone and speakup!
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Examiner Reader said:
I remember a friend of mine who used live on the same block as Mr. Ammiano referred to Mr. Ammiano as a "Man of the People." I guess the "people" in this case doesn't include the "people" in Sophie Maxwell's district who could benefit from an employer and business like home depot instead of the scores of liquor stores in that district.
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Examiner Reader said:
Only a San Francisco progressive politician like Tom Ammiano would gloat over denied jobs and urban blight. Glad he is terming out.
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carroll towne shopper said:
i also am very dissapointed that even if you are a shopper at the mall and try to sit down for a few minutes in peace that the mall security has to come up and try and kick you out hell its empty enough just let the kids skate and do what they want they arent hurting anyone and if they are its only themselves
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Examiner Reader said:
"Local Government" was never intended to interfere in the private marketplace like they continue to try and do. They don't need a "fee" ... because the term "fee" is always used to disguise a TAX.
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Examiner Reader said:
Bureaucrats don't do anything unless it benefits THEM. We don't need a "fee" and we don't need them interfering in the private sector. The job "projection" is only a guess and they're going to use that as an excuse to steal money from the public. IF the jobs develop, fine. If not, fine. The private community always figures out a way without lame bureaucrats interfering.
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Examiner Reader said:
I work for San Mateo County in a department of over 350 staff. Less than 20% live in San Mateo County. 95% of those who live outside of the county say it is because they can't afford to live in the same they work in. Most of the support staff make so little that they qualify for some sort of housing or food subsidy program. The need is NOW not in 2025.
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Alarm Dude said:
Let me figure this out. Business will increase jobs by 40%. In order to provide *Socialist, Government* housing for these employees, we impose a tax on businesses. Businesses take their expansion plans elsewhere because of the taxes. No new employees. In fact, businesses leave rather than expand. Employment drops. PROBLEM SOLVED!
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white sluts black said:
A higher energy price is a sacrifice we have to make for cleaner fuels
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Examiner Reader said:
Sinister elements and a no man's land? This part of the Divisadero Corridor hardly resembles life outside the Internation Green Zone in Baghdad?
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Observation said:
It never fails; when the city comes up with a plan to make changes to a neglected area of the city, and one that is indisputably a busy conduit, naysayers grab their milk crates and plop down in front of their computers and trash every feature of the plan. How many of you attended the planning board meeting and presented alternate plans? How many of you actually participated in the planning process? The best way to reclaim a neighborhood from sinister elements is to make it a magnet for pedestrians and commerce - not by letting it become a no-man's-land.
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Examiner Reader said:
Just what San Francisco needs, one more trendy, upscale neighborhood in which to live and shop.
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Examiner Reader said:
Boutique business means overpriced shopping for rich Caucasian snobs. Wonder how many minority low income residents...what's left of them... can afford the "new" Divisadero now?
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EXAMNER READER said:
I see they are making it easier for drive by shooters to escape even faster than they do....what a few new trees for homeless people to live under...this city's prorities are in the toilet along with its adultress mayor
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Examiner Reader said:
Great move!
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Person from Randallstown Maryland said:
Hi,so there is going to be a Giant SuperMarket in the Liberty Plaza? Wow, that's nice. BlockBuster has been there for a long time. I think most of the shopping center where Dollar General was located should be knocked down, it would lose alot of business but make a better area. Marshall should be TJMaxx because they have better stuff. It would be crowded because of Wal-Mart, I know the Owings Mills Wal-Mart on Reistertown Road near Valley Centre is crowded all the time. I don't really like the Owings Mills one. If I was the examiner I would close Blockbuster's down and make it as a place called AppleBee's. I can't wait until Ruby Tuesday come to Brenbrook Plaza. Or, it can be a place called FYE (For Your Entertainment) which is a CD store. It's awesome. I heard that they would be building a convention center for seniors or whatever it was on Resource Drive by the Resource Center. I see that they are doing construction.
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Examiner Reader said:
Hello, I'm from Baltimore County in Randallstown and I just want to know when is the Wal-Mart coming to Randallstown? I wonder if it is going to be a supercenter. Yes I've seen the Home Depot and it looks very nice. I was wondering when the Wal-Mart is coming. I'm thinking its coming in March or something I don't know. Well, someday it'll come.
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teen for cash xxx said:
There are too many, not enough handicapped parking spaces in our city
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teen for cash young said:
The quality of education is, is not lower than 15 years ago
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teen forcash said:
Pretty much nothing notable happening. My mind is like a complete blank. I've just been hanging out waiting for something to happen. Not much on my mind to speak of. I just don't have anything to say. That's how it is.
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cash teen said:
I haven't gotten much done recently. I don't care. My life's been basically boring these days. Whatever. More or less nothing exciting going on lately, but pfft.
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teensforcash said:
My life's been basically boring recently. I've basically been doing nothing to speak of. That's how it is. I just don't have much to say recently. Oh well.
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My mind is like a fog, not that it matters. I just don't have much to say these days. That's how it is. I haven't been up to anything recently.
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teenforcash said:
There are too many, not enough handicapped parking spaces in our city
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I've just been staying at home waiting for something to happen. I just don't have much to say right now, but so it goes. I've basically been doing nothing to speak of, but shrug. Today was a loss. I don't care. That's how it is.
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Today was a loss. I just don't have anything to say. Not that it matters.
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Susan Ward said:
I've just been staying at home waiting for something to happen. I've just been letting everything wash over me. I can't be bothered with anything recently.
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Geena Davis said:
I've just been staying at home waiting for something to happen. I've just been letting everything wash over me. I can't be bothered with anything recently.
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I haven't gotten anything done. Whatever. I just don't have anything to say.
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I haven't gotten anything done. Whatever. I just don't have anything to say.
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Virginie Ledoyen said:
Pretty much nothing seems worth doing. I've just been letting everything happen without me these days. I've just been sitting around waiting for something to happen, but whatever.
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Today was a loss. I just don't have anything to say. Not that it matters.
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I haven't gotten anything done. Whatever. I just don't have anything to say.
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Pamela Anderson said:
I haven't been up to much today. Such is life. My life's been basically dull today, but that's how it is.
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Rosario Dawson said:
I haven't gotten anything done. Whatever. I just don't have anything to say.
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