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Apr 26, 2008 12:00 AM (126 days ago) by Luke Broadwater and Stephen Janis, The Examiner
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Sergeant-at-arms Paul Treash, foreground, with other members of the Chosen Sons motorcycle club, says he never knew Officer Norman Stamp to carry brass knuckles. Treash believes police officers likely mistook a pin emblem of brass knuckles like the one he is wearing on his right lapel for the actual weapon.
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Sergeant-at-arms Paul Treash, foreground, with other members of the Chosen Sons motorcycle club, says he never knew Officer Norman Stamp to carry brass knuckles. Treash believes police officers likely mistook a pin emblem of brass knuckles like the one he is wearing on his right lapel for the actual weapon.

BALTIMORE (Map, News) - Baltimore police would not make public Friday the answers to several key questions about the fatal shooting of Officer Norman Stamp, including how the off-duty veteran could have pulled a handgun while allegedly wearing brass knuckles.

“They say he came out with brass knuckles on, but I don’t believe that,” said Paul Treash, the sergeant-at-arms at the Chosen Sons motorcycle club, which Stamp founded in 1969. “Something is not right here.”

The department also could not explain why the initial public account of the incident differs drastically from a statement of probable cause written during the night’s only arrest.

Treash said he never knew Stamp to carry brass knuckles -- and believes officers likely mistook a pin emblem of brass knuckles for the weapon.

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“You normally wear brass knuckles on the hand you use all the time,” he said. “If he had them on, how would he actually reach for the gun? How would you be able to hold the gun?”

Stamp, 65, was shot to death while off-duty when police say he pulled a handgun during a fight outside the Haven Place club in the 500 block of N. Haven St. in southeast Baltimore.

In an official account given Thursday, Police Commissioner Frederick Bealefeld said officers responded shortly after midnight Wednesday to reports of a fight at a strip club. Officer John Torres tried to stop customers from leaving the bar during the fight in the parking lot, police said.

Torres confronted Stamp when he left the bar wearing brass knuckles, and used a Taser to knock him to the ground, where Stamp drew his handgun, and Torres fired the fatal shot, Bealefeld said.

In charging documents written by Officer Douglas Shroyer, police said Alberto Mojica, 42, was arrested for disorderly conduct.

Officer Jason Rivera said Mojica was “very intoxicated and was told to leave several times” but refused to do so, continuing to “cause a disturbance, causing a crowd to gather, ” Shroyer wrote. Mojica was then arrested.

The police report makes no mention of a fight or a police-involved shooting.

The charge against Mojica, who has no criminal record, was quickly dismissed by prosecutors.

Police spokesman Sterling Clifford said Mojica broke a leg during the fight, though that is not mentioned in the documents either.

Three officers, including Rivera and Torres, have been placed on routine administrative duty.

“He stood up for his brothers in the club and he got gunned down by his own police department,” Treash said.

THE FUNERAL

A viewing for Stamp is slated for Saturday and Sunday from 3 to 5 p.m. and 7 to 9 p.m. Bruzdzinski Funeral Home, 1407 Old Eastern Ave. The funeral service is planned for Monday at 11 a.m. at the funeral home.

lbroadwater@baltimoreexaminer.com

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12:56 PM MST on Wed., May. 21, 2008 re: "Lawyer: Probe of officer’s death will leave ‘no stone unturned’"

 Adrianna Robeson said:
Stop deleting my comments, by deleting my comments just only shows how ignorant you are, ya the truth hurts like I said I will never forget this senseless ack I was there THE BARTENDER, Norman did not deserve this, and trying to cover this up by saying outrageous lies is not going to work, you are only making things worse. I guess you are not that smart to understand that.

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12:03 PM MST on Fri., May. 2, 2008 re: "Dead officer’s last words: ‘I’m a cop’"

 Examiner Reader said:
Hopefully the public will be notified of the truth, whatever it may be - my sympathy goes out to everyone who has been affected by this.

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11:15 AM MST on Fri., May. 2, 2008 re: "Key questions unanswered in fatal shooting of Baltimore officer"

 Examiner Reader said:
There are two victims here. Both cops. One hangs out in a stripper bar, acts like Mr. Bad A**, and ends up dead. The other has to live with the stress of killing someone, a fellow officer no less. I feel sorry for the second officer.

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7:37 AM MST on Fri., May. 2, 2008 re: "Key questions unanswered in fatal shooting of Baltimore officer"

 Truth Be Told said:
Dear "A Thinker," thanks for your advice. I have reposted not using any caps. I don't think it will matter much, because there were a few other comments that I noticed referring to my comment and they are deleted as well - they had no caps. We need to face it someone is not allowing the truth to be told on this site. I guess the truth doesn't make for good news!

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7:34 AM MST on Fri., May. 2, 2008 re: "Key questions unanswered in fatal shooting of Baltimore officer"

 Truth Be Told said:
Please explain to me why the truth is deemed as inappropriate? I have left "four" comments speaking of the facts that I know only to have them deleted within an hour. Why are you afraid of the truth? There was no fight ouside the Haven when the police arrived. It had been over for several minutes. Officer Stamp headed outside to assist police and was gunned down as soon as the door flew open. If there were brass knuckles on his hand, they were placed there after he was shot. Why is the Examiner afraid to allow truthful comments to stand? Lets face it, the truth will be revealed and the BCPD will suffer much worse for their cover up. Officer Norman Stamp's good name will be cleared. God bless the devoted officers who have to work beside the officers of the likes of the ones who arrived on the scene this night! I again challenge the Examiner to allow this comment to stand, otherwise please post what is so inappropriate.

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5:16 PM MST on Wed., Apr. 30, 2008 re: "Dead officer’s last words: ‘I’m a cop’"

 Examiner Reader. said:
Geeze. You-people sure know alot about the workings of their club. Are you in it too? Why would you down your own club?

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9:04 AM MST on Wed., Apr. 30, 2008 re: "Key questions unanswered in fatal shooting of Baltimore officer"

 Examiner Reader said:
Treash is an IDIOT!!! The only reason the President will not tell him to shut up is Treash is wearing the Seargent at Arms patch. So he is supposed to be the spokes person and front man (ha ha).

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7:23 AM MST on Wed., Apr. 30, 2008 re: "Key questions unanswered in fatal shooting of Baltimore officer"

 Examiner Reader said:
I agree with you "I". The President should definitly tell him to shut up and sit down...LOL Your totally right. He is young and trying to be a bigshot...instead he looks like an a**.

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9:43 PM MST on Tue., Apr. 29, 2008 re: "Key questions unanswered in fatal shooting of Baltimore officer"

 Examiner Reader said:
Why doesn't the president of the club tell treash to shut up? treash is talking about things he don't know about trying to look like a bigshot but making his bro look bad.Thx IDIOT!!

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7:17 PM MST on Tue., Apr. 29, 2008 re: "Key questions unanswered in fatal shooting of Baltimore officer"

 Examiner Reader said:
norm I have known for 20 years would never threatin a uniformed or any other officer he was like a big brother to me it didnt matter his state of mind his pride was in the job he always drilled into me growing up never to argue or dispute an officer no matter what the man in uniform was always right and he was not above this and he would never break this rule I think officers involed in the shooting were rookies in a panic saw a biker wearing a gun and reacted first without trying to identifi him why dont they admit what happend and give some closure

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5:49 PM MST on Tue., Apr. 29, 2008 re: "Dead officer’s last words: ‘I’m a cop’"

 Examiner Reader said:
Jus Baltimore holding another Htowner down....they don't give a crap about Highlandtown any of its citizens, cop or no cop. They don't care about the working folks that live here anyways. Too busy protecting the yuppies in Fed Hill and Canton to give a crap about us.

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12:28 PM MST on Tue., Apr. 29, 2008 re: "Key questions unanswered in fatal shooting of Baltimore officer"

 0033 said:
I don't understand why some of the readers portray him as a "drunk" just becuase he was at the Haven. Most of us that visit the Haven (women too)drink Diet Coke and bullcrap with the guys AND the dancers. Oh, and by the way, the Haven dosen't have strippers, only dancers in a thong, pasties and high heels. Strippers take it all off. In fact, you see more at Marde Gras then you do at the Haven.

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11:44 AM MST on Tue., Apr. 29, 2008 re: "Key questions unanswered in fatal shooting of Baltimore officer"

 Examiner Reader said:
Anyone who thinks the Chosen Sons is a violent club is an idiot. I am sure you probably know someone who knows at least one of them. Norman was on the force for 44 years for God's Sake....need we forget this? Unless we were there we will never know what really happened. It is extremely misfortunate and my prayers go out to all of the families.

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10:30 AM MST on Tue., Apr. 29, 2008 re: "Key questions unanswered in fatal shooting of Baltimore officer"

 Examiner Reader said:
No matter what the truth is in this case, one fact is clear. Police need better training, period. Whether you think Stamp was drunk and pulled his weapon before his badge, or Officer Torres just shot him by mistake, this police department is not training their people.

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10:06 PM MST on Mon., Apr. 28, 2008 re: "Key questions unanswered in fatal shooting of Baltimore officer"

 Examiner Reader said:
Is Tonya, who wrote at 7:20 AM from the strip club? Can't be the same motorcycling club. I am from that area and they are loud and violent, look at the record, it speaks for itself.

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9:59 PM MST on Mon., Apr. 28, 2008 re: "Dead officer’s last words: ‘I’m a cop’"

 Examiner Reader said:
I agree w/the Undertaker!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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9:33 PM MST on Mon., Apr. 28, 2008 re: "Dead officer’s last words: ‘I’m a cop’"

 Examiner Reader said:
Don't try to defend this man for having brass knuckles. What was he doing with them? That's not a fair fight? My husband always wears his gun and his badge around his neck, on the inside of his shirt. That should have been the first thing he came out the door with. He should have pulled his out (visible) when he walked toward the door of the bar. Period. The the other comment read. I believe he was intoxicated and it contributed greatly to his death. I feel sorry for everyone. This is tragic. I pray for his fellow officers that responded, his friends, and family. Officer Torres, I pray for you. People don't understand fault in this day and it's a shame.

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9:14 PM MST on Mon., Apr. 28, 2008 re: "Dead officer’s last words: ‘I’m a cop’"

 Examiner Reader said:
I think this is embarrassing to the BCPD. Make a tree look at all the points and details. What was he and his bikers doing in a strip club? Could'nt he have had a more exciting party at the FOP lounge, or would there be to much order in the club there. He pulled his gun out with brass knuckles the same way they pull out the gun with badge up and order you-"Police put your hands up." The family attorney needs to investigate why Stamp did not call his fellow officers to stop the fight. Instead, he goes out there with brass knuckles. When he sees the officers out there in uniform what does he do? He knew the procedure. I'm sorry....alcohol has contributed to the poor jugdement of this officer and ultimately caused him his life. It does not look good at all. I have questions. Where did he get the brass knuckles from? If he wears these, has any of his lock-ups ever been beaten with them. Investigate the biker club; who are they? Does he represent the BCPD when not in uniform?

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7:22 PM MST on Mon., Apr. 28, 2008 re: "Lawyer: Probe of officer’s death will leave ‘no stone unturned’"

 Cop Cake said:
he's lucky he only took 2 shots instead of a full mag. pull a gun on me and you'll get the later

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1:17 PM MST on Mon., Apr. 28, 2008 re: "Dead officer’s last words: ‘I’m a cop’"

 88 said:
With all respect to this man; as a police officer, he should have followed protocol! If he was off duty (meaning not in uniform) then he should have identified himself as a fellow police officer. And why would he be going towards the door where the uniformed officer was stationed wearing brass knuckles? Everyone keeps saying how he was a biker, and he was hard-core; well I'm sure he was a police officer before he was a biker. And that brings me back to: why didn't he follow protocol?

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12:50 PM MST on Mon., Apr. 28, 2008 re: "Lawyer: Probe of officer’s death will leave ‘no stone unturned’"

 Examiner Reader said:
Look, Stamp was drunk and was not following protocol. Now, he's dead because of it. We morn his passing, but also learn from his mistake.

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12:46 PM MST on Mon., Apr. 28, 2008 re: "Lawyer: Probe of officer’s death will leave ‘no stone unturned’"

 Examiner Reader said:
Di we know the results of Stamp's toxicology?

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12:20 PM MST on Mon., Apr. 28, 2008 re: "Lawyer: Probe of officer’s death will leave ‘no stone unturned’"

 Examiner Reader said:
This is a tragedy on all fronts. Probably they were drinking, fight started, cops come, Stamp goes outside to cool situation down, makes wrong move, gets tazed, in a daze reaches for gun instead of badge, gets shot. Just one way of looking at whole mess.

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11:13 AM MST on Mon., Apr. 28, 2008 re: "Lawyer: Probe of officer’s death will leave ‘no stone unturned’"

 Examiner Reader said:
a prayer for all the victims, a prayer for the city

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11:12 AM MST on Mon., Apr. 28, 2008 re: "Lawyer: Probe of officer’s death will leave ‘no stone unturned’"

 Examiner Reader said:
agree that something ain't right here. please keep digging.

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9:34 AM MST on Mon., Apr. 28, 2008 re: "Key questions unanswered in fatal shooting of Baltimore officer"

 Examiner Reader said:
LEOs shouldn't be allowed to straddle both sides of the line. Either you're a cop and act like one all the time, or you're a thug. They are often required to carry their gun at all times, so their behaviour should be becoming of an officer at all times. And what were the odds here? How many bikers to one? Not a manly thing to gang up on one guy. He lived a double life and got killed, as many bikers are. Sorry for the family, but he chose this lifestyle.

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9:04 AM MST on Mon., Apr. 28, 2008 re: "Lawyer: Probe of officer’s death will leave ‘no stone unturned’"

 Bill said:
The accounts simply don't add up - regardless of you like or dislike for Stamp or his motorcycle club, and whether he was inebriated or not, how does a 65 year-old guy, having just been tazed, draw a weapon while wearing brass knuckles? It can't be done.

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8:56 AM MST on Mon., Apr. 28, 2008 re: "Dead officer’s last words: ‘I’m a cop’"

 Examiner Reader said:
As mentioned by an earlier post, Officer Stamp was acting like a typical disorderly drunk. My thoughts and prayers go out to his family and friends. I would like to see Officer Stamps tox report to see how drunk he was, which may help to explain why he pulled his weapon before identifying himself as police.

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8:02 AM MST on Mon., Apr. 28, 2008 re: "Lawyer: Probe of officer’s death will leave ‘no stone unturned’"

 Rocko the Magnificent said:
Hey Examiner Reader at 7:31, how many police academies have you been through? How much police training have you received? I have been through an academy of an agency here in Maryland and through the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center. Police are taught to shoot for center of mass. They are not taught to shoot the gun out of someone's hand. They are not taught to shoot them in the leg. If a round to the center of mass disables instead of kills, so be it. If the suspect is dead, he is disabled. You cannot shoot someone with a gun pointing at you in the shoulder, leg, arm, etc. That would be lunacy. You have to aim at center of mass. This incident is a tragedy to be sure. Please know of what you speak before posting.

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7:39 AM MST on Mon., Apr. 28, 2008 re: "Lawyer: Probe of officer’s death will leave ‘no stone unturned’"

 Examiner Reader said:
Dont ya love it when this lawyers get involved. Not the entire police department is in a coverup again. These guys should be sued for all the lies they tell.

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7:31 AM MST on Mon., Apr. 28, 2008 re: "Lawyer: Probe of officer’s death will leave ‘no stone unturned’"

 Examiner Reader said:
cops are fully trained to shoot to disable first, the shoot to KILL is a last resort, these cops today are trigger happy and soot first,ask questions later, well this time they murdered one of their own with the shoot to kill thoughts rather shoot to disable. i hope the officer that murdered this comrad will now realize what he's done and ask himself was it really necessary to shoot to kill this individual. example, it takes sharp shooter cops to shoot an individual 50 times whos fully unarmed, could'nt disable him, of course not, but 50 bullets makes sense. this shows and proves that when you got that shoot to kill thing in mind, you never know who you're actually murdering.

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7:20 AM MST on Mon., Apr. 28, 2008 re: "Key questions unanswered in fatal shooting of Baltimore officer"

 TONYA said:
My prayers are with the stamp family and the Chooson Sons.I remember when the club house was on Conkling St.They were a good decent club.Very respectful to all.The club was right in the heart of the neighborhood and our children would run to the corner every Weds.to see all the bikes as they were headed to their weekly meeting.Our neighborhood felt safe with these guys there.The Chooson Sons do alot for people who are down and out.They are the first to step up to the plate when a family is in need.They are not violent bikers as some are saying on here.So please show some respect.This officer lost his life and The Chooson Sons lost a brother.Don't be so inhuman.FREE YOUR MINDS AND YOUR A** WILL FOLLOW

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1:17 AM MST on Mon., Apr. 28, 2008 re: "Lawyer: Probe of officer’s death will leave ‘no stone unturned’"

 johnn said:
paul blair knows better, both officers cant be right,one has to be in the wrong either the officer was poorly trained,under trained or reacted badly..either stamp was attacking someone,fighting someone,or stoping a fight...but to shock and then shoot someone,without closing to arrest them is the strangest police training i have ever heard off,even if he had brass knuckles unless he is a direct threat to the officer there is no need to tassaer him or shoot him...it is some what like the officers that shot and killed a mentally retared man with a butter knife,from the account i head the officers did not tassaer the man,before shooting him...who is training these young police officers somone who got in trouble on the street and as a result was sent to the academy to teach tactics

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10:09 PM MST on Sun., Apr. 27, 2008 re: "Key questions unanswered in fatal shooting of Baltimore officer"

 Bruck said:
No sympathy here. One less thug, corrupt cop with brass knuckles on the beat. The world is a better place today!

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7:36 PM MST on Sun., Apr. 27, 2008 re: "Key questions unanswered in fatal shooting of Baltimore officer"

 Examiner Reader said:
0033: The "questionable guys" of CSMC, are these the same guys that on wednesday nights and other nights tell same wives and girlfriends about meetings and then run off with the other chicks? cause you know wives and girlfriends aren't allowed down at the club house on those nights. Same guys who show up at bars in Dundalk and start trouble with bar patrons only to have one of said patrons beat up outside by the "brothers" then when cops come, guys like Norm would run out and talk to responding units with badge flashed? I don't think you are talkin about those "questionable characters" are you??? How about all the fun times at other "clubs" parties, when CSMC would send a chick over to "mess" with the heads of unsuspecting members of the other clubs just to go outside with them??? Dude, give it a break, anyone with the IQ of an oyster knows better bro!!!

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2:59 PM MST on Sun., Apr. 27, 2008 re: "Key questions unanswered in fatal shooting of Baltimore officer"

 Examiner Reader said:
From the reports I heard from witnesses, he did not have a set of knuckles on him. Also how can the officer who fatally shot Norm not know he was a BPD officer with the tenure of over 30 years. LEOs with that long of a tenure are often known throught the entire department. If the case was such a easy one to figure then why were the witnesses sequestered until 8am. I smell a coverup that the BPD doesn't want discovered after all the turmoil this department has already faced.

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8:37 AM MST on Sun., Apr. 27, 2008 re: "Dead officer’s last words: ‘I’m a cop’"

 Examiner Reader said:
Although his last words may have been, "I'm a cop", his actions were those of a disorderly drunk. Only this disorderly drunk pulled a gun. While I have no idea what kind of cop Norman Stamp was, I know he should not have put a fellow cop in the position of having to shoot him. He was wrong, and unfortunately, the stakes were as high as they go when you mix booze with ego, and add a firearm.

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5:54 AM MST on Sun., Apr. 27, 2008 re: "Key questions unanswered in fatal shooting of Baltimore officer"

 The Undertaker said:
If I were a cop I wouldn't just give another jolt to a suspect who has already been hit with the Taser and who is then pulling out a gun. It would be clear to me that the Taser was not effective with the suspect and I would use a firearm.

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4:10 AM MST on Sun., Apr. 27, 2008 re: "Dead officer’s last words: ‘I’m a cop’"

 Officer Ondek NW said:
How could Officer Stamp draw his weapon when he was hooked up to a taser for a 15 second jolt? the taser then alowes the Officer to give another 15 seconds at his discreation so insted of shooting Officer Stamp just give him another 15 second jolt.

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7:42 PM MST on Sat., Apr. 26, 2008 re: "Dead officer’s last words: ‘I’m a cop’"

 0033 said:
To Johnn; Hmmmm..."a policy not to consort with people of questionable charactor". How about I take you to the Haven,(you may be invited to do a guest set), we'll have a blast, then I take you to a Chosen Sons benefit for a needy family(where all of the guys have to work and most stay sober anyway. Then you can meet all of the guys of "the gang" and their wives and children. Yes, they have families. They may even like you becuase they are very excepting of people "with questionable charactors" when they those same people are down on their luck, need a friend, a dollar, or a place to stay. Norm and all of the Chosen Sons would stop in the middle of the night to change your tire, give you a hot shot or buy you a gallon of gas even after working a double. I would love to meet you and introduce you to "them", you know, the people of questionable charactor.

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7:19 PM MST on Sat., Apr. 26, 2008 re: "Dead officer’s last words: ‘I’m a cop’"

 0033 said:
Can't you get it through your heads that Norm was not holding a gun! He was tazered. He couldn't grab anything. And furthermore, you watch too many westerns.

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7:09 PM MST on Sat., Apr. 26, 2008 re: "Dead officer’s last words: ‘I’m a cop’"

 Examiner Reader said:
TO; Officer did not pull a gun. He was from a much earlier era of Baltimore policing, you left out,( when there were not that many illegal guns out in the steets). As for your modern day shoot-first-ask-questions-later officer, what would you have done if you were a Policeman, seen an unidentified,person with gun in hand,and thinking that your life was about to end. What,would have been your re-action?. Furthermore, read up about lawmen, and how they enforced the law and put fear in the hearts of both the lawful and the unlawful, start reading from about the mid-eighteen hundreds up until your modern shoot-first-ask-questions-later officer, era.

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5:42 PM MST on Sat., Apr. 26, 2008 re: "Dead officer’s last words: ‘I’m a cop’"

 Examiner Reader said:
To,the retired BCoPD Sgt.,were you at the scene of the occurrence?,are you a Judge of character?, were you in the young Policemans' shoes?, or did you know what was going thru his mind?,what to do at that crucial moment where it only takes but seconds to decide wether to shoot or be shot?. I'm wondering, if you as a young Policeman, ever had the unfortunate experience to make the decision that this young Policeman, had to make at that crucial moment. I wonder, (your Judgeship), how clean a cop,were you. Don't judge or call a fellow Officer a criminal without clue,were you a crime buster, or a crime booster?.

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3:00 PM MST on Sat., Apr. 26, 2008 re: "Dead officer’s last words: ‘I’m a cop’"

 1482 said:
Patty, obviously you misunderstood what i wrote. I was commenting on Jims comments in which he refered to Officer Torres as a cocky rookie I quote (yea i capped a biker) what i clearly meant was that it doesn't matter the years of experience of either one nobody can judge Officer Torres on the years he's had on the service. Just because he's been there for 7 years doesn't mean that he was anxious to shoot someone or even kill at that. What makes anyone think that he wasn't as devoted to his job than Stamp. Dont get me wrong my respect goes out to him and his family and it's great that he was protecting BM for so many years but Officer Torres loved his job aswell. So for your information i do make sense that even a good friend of his agreed but apparently you were rushing through my comment and couldn't comprehend what i said, but now it is nice and clear for you.

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10:17 AM MST on Sat., Apr. 26, 2008 re: "Key questions unanswered in fatal shooting of Baltimore officer"

 Examiner Reader said:
some people don't live in reality - you think the world is all "good" and I never in a million years would have believed the government, police would have done something like this, but this has changed my mind - I do believe there is some cover up as well - too many unanswered questions

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7:24 AM MST on Sat., Apr. 26, 2008 re: "Key questions unanswered in fatal shooting of Baltimore officer"

 Examiner Reader said:
Good going people, I'm glade your not a jury..  Alot of you are pointing the finger at each other..  Alot of  "if" and  "I think" going on..  No officer ever wants to pull that trigger.. "No Officer"...  There is no cover up going on here..  You all watch to much T.V. Grow up! This is a very tragic Situation for all involved... And I do mean ALL....

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6:18 AM MST on Sat., Apr. 26, 2008 re: "Key questions unanswered in fatal shooting of Baltimore officer"

 Patty said:
Dear Reader 1482, If you had to have open heart surgery, would you prefer a surgeon who has been practicing open-heart surgery for 7 years or one who had been operating for 20 years??? And WHY would you prefer the Dr. with "more experience" if experience doesn't matter? I mean both doctors want to save your life, right? What you stated makes absolutely no sense - anything you do in life you get better and sharper with experience - Since there are apparently no eye witnesses, no-one knows exactly what happened once Norm walked out those doors ALONE - but what is being reported to the public DOES NOT ADD UP! Everone who loved Norm, including the officers that worked by his side, will not let this rest untill the truth is told, whatever it may be, but I truly believe when it is revealed, Norm will get the respect he so obviously deserves. I agree with the reader: Mistakes are not a Crime but COVERING UP A FATAL MISTAKE IS A CRIME!

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5:44 AM MST on Sat., Apr. 26, 2008 re: "Dead officer’s last words: ‘I’m a cop’"

 The Undertaker said:
I have a lot more sympathy for the cop who shot him then this idiot. From his actions I assume he was drunk. If so, what was he doing with his gun? The State's Attorney on the Eastern Shore is being prosecuted for having his gun while drunk. Are cops immune from this Maryland law? If he wasn't drunk, then he was an idiot and should never have been issued a firearm in the first place. Regardless, I hopes he rests in peace. I prayed for his soul.

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4:29 AM MST on Sat., Apr. 26, 2008 re: "Key questions unanswered in fatal shooting of Baltimore officer"

 Examiner Reader said:
what was he doing with brass knuckles? obviously looking for a fight. no sympahty for stamp.

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3:29 AM MST on Sat., Apr. 26, 2008 re: "Key questions unanswered in fatal shooting of Baltimore officer"

 Examiner Reader said:
the city fop is trying to make this guy to be a home town hero. he was a member of a violent motorcycle gang.

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