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Nov 13, 2007 12:00 AM (291 days ago) by Stephen Janis and Kelsey Volkmann, The Examiner
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BALTIMORE (Map, News) - Parents blamed school officials Monday for failing to prevent a fight that erupted after a football game between Baltimore City College and Polytechnic Institute and ended with the arrests of 28 girls.

The Saturday brawl in the M&T Stadium parking lot followed the 119th game between the two schools — one of the country’s oldest rivalries — and sent one girl to Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore City police said.

“This brings shame to both schools,” said Barney Wilson, Poly’s principal. “The game is certainly a cherished event and means a whole lot to students, alumni and the community, and there is no room for this type of thing to happen at the game.”

Many parents and students remained frustrated that school officials failed to quell a monthslong dispute between female students that intensified on social networking site MySpace.

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Now they are all asking questions and, in some cases, pointing fingers. “They knew this was going on; they’ve known about this for at least four months,” said one parent who did not want to be identified, as she waited to pick up her daughter from the Baltimore City Juvenile Justice Center.

Poly’s Wilson said he had known about an ongoing dispute between girls from the two schools.

The fight occurred just after the game ended as students from several high schools left the stadium, police said. One girl, a sophomore at Mergenthaler Vocational Technical Senior High School, said her attackers got away.

“We were getting into our car and they jumped us and starting hitting us and pushing us,” she said. “But the girls who attacked us got away, and they arrested us.”

All but one of the girls was released without being charged. An alleged attacker who threw a punch that caused an eye injury will be charged with second-degree assault, and the hospitalized girl was treated and released, police said.

Police plan to review video from the stadium’s cameras.

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4:51 PM MST on Thu., Nov. 15, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
bais bais bais. these are kids not criminals. smart kids and their behavoir does not necessarily stem from their upbringing. knowing both sides personally about 2 of the TWENTY TWO girls come from bad homes. all these people commenting think as if you were the parents of these kids whom whick of some had no choice but to be in this situation. and everyone was arrested even the alleged "attackers". do you know that last year there were 3 fights at the city of this magnitude. and since it was the big city poly game its a huge deal....right CITY FOREVER until DAWSON destroys it

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5:04 PM MST on Wed., Nov. 14, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
Pull this school up from the recent gutter.

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4:28 PM MST on Wed., Nov. 14, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
As a graduate of City I must say I‘m ashamed of what the school has become. There will always be a couple of bad apples in the bunch but he kids that they are admitting into the school are not model City students and the school as a whole has and continues to go downhill. I believe some strong measures need to be taken to get City back on track before it is too late. That type of behavior should NOT be tolerated. What should be a fun, homecoming event for the enjoyment of both past and present students and their families is no longer that. I attend the city/poly game every year and there is always an incident. What’s worse is that there are so many more incidents that occur during the regular school year that we don’t and won’t hear about. This incident is only a small glimpse of the problems that City is now facing. Eventually M&T will no longer allow the annual game to be held at their facilities.

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12:53 PM MST on Wed., Nov. 14, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Baltimore resident said:
I agree with 11:29. I too graduated from City c'95. We have always had some elements that did not represent the school well. However, City continues to produce excellent students. As well as Poly. They should not be judged based upon the worst of them. As no one should.

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11:29 AM MST on Wed., Nov. 14, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
As a 1998 grad of City AND witness to the meleee, I'm so embarrassed! It's sad to see a school that I'm so proud of fall from grace. I agree this article is unbalanced because there are no comments from the City girls involved. I also would like to say the young lady's account of“We were getting into our car and they jumped us and starting hitting us and pushing us,” is just not true. I was standing maybe 50 yards away and saw the WHOLE thing. That group of girls went to the black Jetta (yes I was there) and put their belongings on the roof,preparing to fight,in my opinion. I also saw a young lady actually fighting a police officer. It was crazy! Every alumnus and student has a part in maintaining the reputation of these fine schools. To the "Thank God for Calvert Hall, Mount Saint Joe, Mount DeSalles" comment,don't disregard 168 YEARS of excellence based on on afternoon. CITY FOREVER!!!

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11:18 AM MST on Wed., Nov. 14, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Baltimore resident said:
Read A Framework for Understanding Poverty by Ruby Payne. People who live in a cycle of generational poverty generally do not have the same value system as middle class or wealth people (of all races, for those of you who blame black people for everything). These children are usually the product of generations of entitlements and live their lives accordingly. You can't blame the school system. This happens all over the country. Schools fail because you have students coming to school from families that don't value education. Students from "stable" homes do well even in "failing" schools.

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10:26 AM MST on Wed., Nov. 14, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Read Her Well said:
Expulsion, shows expectations adn counceling, as well as implement uniforms in all schools and show some expectations of a learning enviornemnt. Taht is what schools are for, learning, all schools. Good male role models where voids are needed and sensor gang and thug music videos and games. Make it law.

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9:52 AM MST on Wed., Nov. 14, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
The students who were fighting at the City-Poly game on saturday if they are students should be put out of these schools. These students have not been model students in school. These two schools are schools of privlege not your regular schools. The students at City have been getting into trouble for about two years.-, they have had their change at getting their act together. The PTO at both schools should look into the conduct of these students and the grades that these students have, if they have not live up to their part of the agreenment than these students need to in another school. I hope at that time they all will be going to different schools and become individuals and no longer feeding on each other to do harm to other students.

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9:16 AM MST on Wed., Nov. 14, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
I'm 64 yrs old...Both of these schools WERE fine schools years and years ago, and highly regarded. See what happens when you lower entrance standards. Thank God for Calvert Hall, Mount Saint Joe, Mount DeSalles.

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9:08 AM MST on Wed., Nov. 14, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
To the "parents": Stop blaming everyone else for your own failings. If you raise kids to be aggressive, belligerent punks, guess what? They are going to act like aggressive, belligerent punks. Deadbeat fathers, hip-hop culture, glamorization of thugs - it all adds up.

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8:55 AM MST on Wed., Nov. 14, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Read Her Well said:
A genuine trust can never be abused. Expectations are part of trust, neeeded in all relationships, parent and child, etc. Thats the problem with most issues. Expect higher standards for each individuals ability. No more, no less.

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7:57 AM MST on Wed., Nov. 14, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
We all love, some love in different ways. Sometimes loving your children isn't the way it was meant to be, but there is one who cares and I belive will remedy the situation by providing love to those children later in their life, the great leader. Tomorrow is not promised to any of us, here today may be gone tomorrow; I love with all my heart, to you.

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7:52 AM MST on Wed., Nov. 14, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Read Her Well said:
That is the way it is supposed to be. You can preach to the parents till the cows come home and not many see the light. They are like animals with no talking sense into them, selfish and no talking sense to. waste of time.

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7:42 AM MST on Wed., Nov. 14, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
Yes, children matter and are our future, even after they grow up and leave home. The caring or love does not stop.

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7:40 AM MST on Wed., Nov. 14, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Read Her Well said:
The children are our future they all matter.

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7:34 AM MST on Wed., Nov. 14, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
Someone that is interested in making a happy life for the one(s)daughter they love.

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7:26 AM MST on Wed., Nov. 14, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
Yes, moving from Maryland and all these issues sounds like a great plan. Doesn't DE have the same problems?

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7:23 AM MST on Wed., Nov. 14, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Read Her Well said:
7:12 Is correct on some. All my children are from the same low life father,the route of the problem. I raise my children and the whole neighborhoods, until Ii started putting my foot down tothese neglegent parents who letthem run the street. Do the best you. Do you know where your spouse and children are its 7;12 all mouth and no action help raise some children with morals and ethics. I will leave mine to you in my will regardless so I can haunt you when I die.

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7:15 AM MST on Wed., Nov. 14, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Read Her Well said:
7:09 You are the peanut gallery 7:11 You are respected and correct,makes you wanna move to deleware does it not? That is my plan.

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7:12 AM MST on Wed., Nov. 14, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
Reading the comments from the various readers is very enlightening, and I am referring to the word "parents" which is referred to continuously. The reason we are inudated with incidents such as this in the inner-city and, sadly elsewhere, is that a lot of these people never had parents. They are the product of casual sex between two people who barely know each other and, as a result, are raised by an uneducated lowlife woman rather than within a normal standard household of a mother and a father; and over time it is not unusual for these females to bear several children all by different fathers. Thus there is no family life and, of course, these women are more intersted in where they are going to get more sex and the children keep suffering and grow up like wild animals. It's a vicious cycle with the lowlife.

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7:11 AM MST on Wed., Nov. 14, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
Gossip?? Then why the reccomendation to cease reserving from fights?? Are you now not believing in the truth?? Reserving is done out of respect, nice to know that whoring fights are the norm and expected.

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7:09 AM MST on Wed., Nov. 14, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
Regarding School Officials: What did they know? When did they know it? And, what did they do about it? That is what the oublic needs to know.

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6:50 AM MST on Wed., Nov. 14, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Read Her Well said:
cease all gossip is what i would do. Incentive to control the situation on these time consuming uproars are needed for all teachers. heck, lets all just move to deleware.

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6:02 AM MST on Wed., Nov. 14, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
There never should have been a brawl. The fact that any girls initiated the fight indicates failure of proper parenting and instilling good social values in their children. This was no little fight. 28 girls were involved at a minimum. If this was an orchestrated attack, the ringleaders should be arraigned as adults and charged under various anti-gang laws as an example to parents who don't properly control their children.

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12:24 AM MST on Wed., Nov. 14, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Concerned student from city nor poly said:
I am utterly appalled at how baisly this article was written. This story fails to included statements from the girls from City, which wrongly makes readers believe that they were the initiators of the brawl saturday afternoon. Not only were the girls from City victimized, they were also placed in a very uncompromising position. I also feel that the author of this article had no right to write this one sided story. The only way to end this dispute is to cease all gossip.

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8:43 PM MST on Tue., Nov. 13, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
It's easy to be on the outside looking in but,for those of you who don't know that entire story,need not pass judgment.There’s is a big difference when your child is involved in a fight and when your child is left to defend herself because she is being attacked.Which was the case in this situation. The growing trend of physical aggressiveness between adolescent girls needs to STOP.These girls have no VALID reason for fighting. When do we stop pointing finger at the parents and start holding the teenagers involved accountable for there actions. They are not toddler who doesn’t know right from wrong .I do believe it becomes a partnership with the parent and the schools, the parents has to instill some level of self esteem in there child that they don’t have to attack others because of the way they look and the schools should hold the responsible persons accountable for there actions during these school events.Let's not lose focus.Two parent home doesn't constitute stablility! MR/Mrs

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8:03 PM MST on Tue., Nov. 13, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
Stop this!! There is more to life then this. Can't you see that somehow we need to understand.

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7:38 PM MST on Tue., Nov. 13, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
This paper must be desperate to incite racial divide or increase its publcation to a certain group of individuals. It seems like almost everyday the examiner tries to find some racially explosive non newsworthy story for people of one segment of society to fear, hate or be leery of another racial group in our society. Sometimes the comments that the readers write following these stories show how unamerican a lot of Americans are.

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7:26 PM MST on Tue., Nov. 13, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
What caused the City-Poly Brawl???? How about little punks who never learned how to or just don't feel like behaving. I observed the behavior of the modern Poly student at the McDonalds across the street. A typical show of the punk attitude all City school students seem to display. Poly is no longer the fine institute it once was too bad. But typical of City dwellers

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5:35 PM MST on Tue., Nov. 13, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
So, has T. Eloise Foster gone to trial yet on her DWI charge?

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5:18 PM MST on Tue., Nov. 13, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Not surprised...at all said:
Seriously, people are acting like this was a big surprise. You get a bunch of people together that don't like each other, chances are they'll let their primal instincts kick in and start to kick [butt]. I don't blame anyone but the students themselves. Not City, not Poly, not Grasmick, not the parents...but the students themselves. As a City grad (C/O 2006), I am sadly not surprised by the actions of these students. Saddened, sure, but not surprised at all. City's been going downhill since Joe Wilson left anyways...

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4:45 PM MST on Tue., Nov. 13, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
of course it is the school's fault. jus like every thing else in today's world, it is the government's fault. if the little bastards had been raised properly by their parents, not granmuvasor aunts then this would not have happened.

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4:43 PM MST on Tue., Nov. 13, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 So Fed Up said:
After reading all of the comments, it amazes me how most feel it's the parent's fault. Of course the media's inaccurate description of the events isn't helping. There were several innocent students who were "attacked". Simply put, they were at the wrong place at the wrong time and had absolutely nothing to do with the so called "on-going dispute" that led to the brawl. Some of those students were forced to defend themselves and as a result will now have to pay the price for the violent actions of the other students in the name of self defense. It really sickens me that society is always ready to place blame and categorized everyone. I think intervention in this case is necessary and may have helped to prevent this behavior in the first place. And yes, it is the responsibility of the parents AND school officials to work "together" to stop this from happening in the future. People are always ready to make assumptions after the fact but no one is willing to intervene beforehan

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3:06 PM MST on Tue., Nov. 13, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Hey 2:39 said:
The point is that parents have to enforce some discipline and take charge. Parents should hold the kids responsible for their actions. Rather than attack me why don't you comment on poor parents that expect someone else to raise the kids they conceived, or do fit into the category??

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2:41 PM MST on Tue., Nov. 13, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
Why are these parents not ashamed of their children's behavior? The parents cannot control their own children, however by blaming the schools, the parents are admitting that they failed at parenting and now expect the schools to correct their mistakes. Do parents think it's possible for the schools to be the surrogate mothers and fathers for their children and hundreds more? Poly and City are premiere Baltimore City Public Schools. There needs to be a strong message to these students (and their parents) who choose disgraceful behavior - expulsion. Oh wait - the CEO and school board are already being bullied by Grasmick, who would love to label City and Poly "persistently dangerous" so she can take away the funding for these schools. According to Grasmick, only "persistently dangerous" schools suspend or expel students. Parents, don't expect the schools to parent your children, they have enough on their plate...and besides IT'S YOUR JOB. It's not too late.

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2:39 PM MST on Tue., Nov. 13, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 An Examiner Reader said:
The Examiner Reader at 2:34 PM is apparently an illiterate. I do not understand anything he or she has written. The writer is apparently the product of a second grade education in the public school system. If you can not write intelligently then don't write at all.

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2:34 PM MST on Tue., Nov. 13, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
no suprise kids have more rights then parents do now when it comes to law u try to correct them the kids just call to police and say they were abused,then u the parent is going to jail,happens all the time here to many laws have tied parents hands kids have more rights then adults do kids can break the law dozen times courts do nothing parent try to correct them parent is going to jail. change stupid laws

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2:34 PM MST on Tue., Nov. 13, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
Kids will be kids but they will also be idiots unless parents kick a little ass from time to time.

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2:12 PM MST on Tue., Nov. 13, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
Parents? What parents? Quick - how many of these girls do you think come from a stable, two-parent houselhold? Be honest. 20%? 10%?

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1:35 PM MST on Tue., Nov. 13, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
When are the parents going to start taking responsibliity for "THEIR" children. If there was an issue going on and the school knew about it then the parents had to know also. Stop trying to blame everyone else for your lack of parenting skills. Discipline your kids; however,why is it that just because these kids live in the city they are hoodlums? It goes on everywhere people, even in the suburbs. Wake up and smell the cofee. If you think it doesn't then you are living in a box. Last week there was an incident outside of Parkville High and weapons were involved, police were called and kids were arrested and expelled. The kids involved in the fight at the game should be reprimanded both at home and school since this was a school event.

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12:42 PM MST on Tue., Nov. 13, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
You have got to laugh! If this happened between a Edmondson - Dunbar game no one would care. But you have these two claiming to be top-notch educational institutions (City-Poly)then its a big deal. Please the students, parents, and school are a timeless joke.

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12:36 PM MST on Tue., Nov. 13, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
Big deal. When I was a kid, fights and football games went hand in hand. At least there was no gun or knife play.

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11:58 AM MST on Tue., Nov. 13, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
Why should the school be responsible for the behavior of their students? What are parents for? Don't blame the schools for you not taking parental responsibility. It is the parents job to raise their children and the schools job to educate them.

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11:30 AM MST on Tue., Nov. 13, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
What a shame. This would have to tarnish a good game. This was my first City-Poly game that I have attended. I am looking forward to next year. I hope these folks stay home

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10:57 AM MST on Tue., Nov. 13, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Read Her said:
Could be they just need a good defense attorney or someone in authority needs to have mercy.

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9:50 AM MST on Tue., Nov. 13, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
Interesting,m the attackers got away but the victims were arrested and may now have to contend wih criminal records. With incidents like this and 300 homicides this year, it's clear that there is still no leadership in the police department or in the city.

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9:48 AM MST on Tue., Nov. 13, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
Turn a bling eye? Good teachers are needed every where. No one is immune. Selfish me, denial wont help.

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9:47 AM MST on Tue., Nov. 13, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader-Baltimore City Resident said:
I am APPALLED at the response that ALL of the city dwellers' lifestyles is one of drugs, and violence. You do not know or have not come in contact with mostly ALL residents so DO NOT put that title on everyone or mostly everyone. I do not agree with the violence or the way that most of the kids act now either but it is not all the kids. What about the kids that were at the game that are doing POSITIVE things. The media needs to start reporting that also. You stated that you moved a safe distance to Delaware Shores. Do you realize that a lot if not most of the drug traffic and violence caused by this traffic come from places other than the city. That's why you can sit in your comfortable community and say that city life is bad. A lot of the drug users are UPSTANDING citizens from UPSTANDING neighborhoods that surround our city. So, you can start by keeping your citizens in YOUR WELL-TO-DO community and that way the city does not have to deal with their habits!!!!!

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9:41 AM MST on Tue., Nov. 13, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Boo Hoo said:
If the parents knew that the school knew about it, then it follows that the parents knew about it. So don't let them to go to the game (horrors)! Instead of blaming others, hold your kids accountable for their behavior and give them a good kick in the ass. If they are name calling on MySpace, take away their computer. Take away their phones. Take away their driving privileges. Stop enabling them. Stop expecting the already overwhelmed school with its bureaucrats to be the parent. I expect my kids' schools to teach reading and writing and math and leave the parenting to me and my husband.

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9:30 AM MST on Tue., Nov. 13, 2007 re: "What caused City-Poly brawl?"

 Examiner Reader said:
I am blessed to have a mentor and friend to this day.” Behind every famous person is a fabulous teacher. These students needed a good teacher and still do. It only takes one to make a difference, change for the better in someones life. Live and learn.

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