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Frantz: West will still be stacked

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Oct 29, 2007 3:00 AM (306 days ago) by Bob Frantz, The Examiner
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Baron Davis and the Warriors would have a better chance at making the NBA Finals if they were playing in the Eastern Conference.
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Baron Davis and the Warriors would have a better chance at making the NBA Finals if they were playing in the Eastern Conference.

SAN FRANCISCO (Map, News) - You know, it’s really too bad the NBA couldn’t have hired that Miss Teen South Carolina chick to realign its divisions — at least for the Warriors’ sake. Maybe the geographically-challenged Miss “I personally believe U.S. Americans should help South Africa and the Iraq, therefore such as, and the Asian countries” would stick Oakland in the Eastern half of the United States, giving the Warriors a realistic opportunity to contend for a conference championship.

After all, she probably doesn’t have a map and Carolina is spelled an awful lot like California, so they have to be close to one another, right?

Such as.

Sure, the East has improved itself with the help of Western imports Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen to the Boston Celtics and the Detroit Pistons are nobody’s patsies, but the bottom line is the Warriors would be right in the thick of it with the likes of Cleveland and Miami for the third seed in the NBA’s inferior conference, were geography not a factor.

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Unfortunately for Nellie and his merry band of runners and gunners, stuck in the wild West they are. And the more things change, the more they stay the same — with the Western Conference being the gauntlet of hell for young, up-and-coming teams such as the Warriors.

The good news for Golden State, of course, is the tremendous shot of “We can play with anybody!” they got from last year’s playoff upset of the Dallas Mavericks. Taking one of the best regular-season teams in history out in the first round was a monumental step for the Golden ones.

The bad news is that none of the adrenaline and confidence that drove Baron Davis and company through that short playoff series will mean much in 82 games spread out over six long months against the heavy hitters in the West.

The loaded Mavericks will be just as driven by their playoff failure as the Warriors will be buoyed by their success, which could have them steamrolling the conference in an attempt to get their respect back. Steve Nash’s Phoenix Suns are still one of the three most talented teams in the NBA, and just as much of a threat to win it all as the Mavs are. The Rockets, with MVP candidate Yao Ming and all-everything Tracy McGrady, will finally be able to relax and play their game with Rick Adelman taking over for the aneurysm-in-waiting that was Jeff Van Gundy. And if Andrei Kirilenko stops pouting, he’ll join Deron Williams and Carlos Boozer to form their own Big Three in Utah.

And then there’s the real Big Three. The San Antonio Spurs have won four of the last nine NBA championships and there is absolutely no reason to thing they won’t make it five of 10 by the time the season’s story has been written.

And so, you may ask, whither the Warriors?

Davis is one of the truly great leaders in all of team sports, as evidenced by that ’06 playoff run, and Nellie can get more out a team than nearly any coach in basketball. If the coach can keep Stephen Jackson under control for the entire season, and if Al Harrington can work with Andris Biedrins and rookie Brandan Wright to revive the lost art of rebounding in Oakland, the Warriors could well have enough firepower and, most importantly, depth to make a serious run at the postseason.

But alas, when we turn our attention to the three most important words in real estate — location, location and location — we remember that even all the right moves and all the lucky bounces in the world don’t mean as much in the West. Five of the top seven teams in the league play ball on the Warriors’ half of the continent, which makes it hard to get too terribly excited about the playoff prospects as we get set to tip off the season. But one thing is certain for fans of one of the most exciting teams in the NBA: It’s gonna be one helluva ride.

Sports personality Bob Frantz is a regular contributor to The Examiner. E-mail him at bfrantz@examiner.com.

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8:01 AM MST on Fri., May. 2, 2008 re: "Frantz: WWE, steroids affect more than wrestlers"

 Examiner Reader said:
I am also a huge wwe fan and i am tired of hearing about people takin steroids

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6:42 PM MST on Tue., Apr. 22, 2008 re: "Frantz: WWE, steroids affect more than wrestlers"

 brittany c said:
im tierd of all the wrestlers turning up dead and it turns out they had done steroids its stupid

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10:44 AM MST on Sat., Feb. 9, 2008 re: "Frantz: WWE, steroids affect more than wrestlers"

 Examiner Reader said:
YesI think they should. I am a big wwe and i have saw it live sevural times. However i think the superstarts could justwork out( wich is a healthier way of staying fit and strong) insted of using drugs.

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10:24 AM MST on Thu., Jan. 24, 2008 re: "Frantz: WWE, steroids affect more than wrestlers"

 Leslie Parra said:
No because if they do then it wont be fun watching wimppy wrestlers fighting and non of them will be winning.

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4:05 PM MST on Wed., Dec. 19, 2007 re: "Frantz: Mitchell Report should eliminate talks of race"

 Examiner Reader said:
Perhaps you are right about the "race card", but my concern is with baseball personalities like Peter Gammons who, while speaking of Clemens, says that we should take a "wait and see" approach to these findings. Why wasn't the same luxury given to Bonds? Bonds admitted to using the cream and the clear. Bonds is more arrogant and less "warm and fuzzy" than Clemens (yeah, right), but it doesn't give Clemens a pass. Gammon's comment was that McNamee was a "sewer rat", saving himself from a prison sentence. So his testimony is tainted? What about Kimberly Bell and those beloved authors of "Game of Shadows". Their motives may not have been escaping prison, but their involvement in this issue seems to be a search for fame and fortune. Mr. Frantz, you are right. Bonds cheated. But with the Mitchell Report, Bonds' is not the only picture representing the "Steroid Era". Now it's a team photo. I agree with you. Treat them all the same. Don't believe any of them... proof or no p

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11:45 AM MST on Tue., Nov. 27, 2007 re: "Frantz: Believe in these Warriors, too"

 Examiner Reader said:
The system is WACked. The Patriots would not play for the NC if they were in Hawaii's shoes. And a Heisman for a horse named Colt? He has enough on his plate holding 29, 46, 87, whatever NCAA records. Shoot (pun intended) he can't even finish a game. Plus he has no guts sitting out a game (which he may or may not remember) just to play later (i.e. poor leadership qualities). Hawaii is'nt even a state, is it? Anyway they dodged MSU, Michigan, and USC by offering to play them (wink)this year. When Washington takes them out we will all go back to our comfort zones. Plus what's up with their new motto "They pay us not to play us"...

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4:14 PM MST on Mon., Nov. 19, 2007 re: "Frantz: The problem's not McNabb’s skin color"

 Examiner Reader said:
i love mcnabb to death but sometimes he s not that great under pressure and he cant run now and why would you get rid of garcia i hate the cowboys but it does seem like they are alot smarter than philly and mommas boy mcnabb

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12:07 PM MST on Mon., Oct. 15, 2007 re: "Frantz: BCS shows its flaws once again"

 Bob's Email doesnt work said:
I had a good laugh while reading your column this morning. The best part was when you call the pollsters ignorant, and then you dismissed South Florida. It's pretty clear that you don't watch a lot of college ball. But it's definitely amusing watching you cling to the Tojans - that's what most uninformed people do. I'm sure this is not uncharted territory for you. I can just picture you, pounding away at your keyboard last year... "The Boise St-whatevers"... "Does anyone really think Boise State belongs on the field with the Sooners". Uh huh. Anyway, sorry that you'll be the last one to the party again this year. But in the mean time please continue to let your dim light shine - and definitely keep dismissing teams that you know nothing about, simply because you don't know anything about them. PS - South Florida's team mascot is a Bull. I'm surprised you didn't know that, since your column is constructed entirely from it's excrement.

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8:19 PM MST on Mon., Sep. 24, 2007 re: "Frantz: The problem's not McNabb’s skin color"

 Examiner Reader said:
completely misrepresents what Rush said. Just another left wing wanna-be writer.

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10:45 AM MST on Mon., Sep. 24, 2007 re: "Frantz: The problem's not McNabb’s skin color"

 Examiner Reader said:
All the white quarterback you named at the end as quarterbacks who get criticized are all white but they are all big big big BUSTS!!! Ryan Leaf the biggest bust, David Carr another big Bust.. Tim Couch = big bust, Rex Grossman = inferior qb..

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3:27 PM MST on Fri., Sep. 14, 2007 re: "Frantz: Stop excusing Vick’s behavior"

 Examiner Reader said:
I wonder how LOUD the talk would be if it was a well paid favorite celeb. But now that it's out that this sort of thing goes on (has been for years, since the dawn of time) are you willing to condemn others(famous and not famous) or only the ones the media goes after?

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3:23 PM MST on Fri., Sep. 14, 2007 re: "Kobe wants out, Wie pulls out, A-Rod isn’t out"

 Examiner Reader said:
The question is not about Kobe's commitment, it's if and when he does leave the Lakers, who will be get to replace him. Lets just move on and stop milkin' the Kobe "committment" headlines. I enjoy the Lakers as a whole, not just their prima donna's.

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5:29 PM MST on Mon., Aug. 27, 2007 re: "Frantz: Stop excusing Vick’s behavior"

 Examiner Reader said:
Here, here, Mr. Franz! You tell it like it is! He is one sick man, and deserves no sympathy, no matter how much his lawyers try to sweeten it. It don't matter if he was white, black, yellow, green, or any color, the deed is inhumane and wrong!

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3:10 PM MST on Mon., Aug. 27, 2007 re: "Frantz: Stop excusing Vick’s behavior"

 Examiner Reader said:
Bringing up slavery as some sort of argument in this particular case is so tired. What has that got to do with anything in this matter. Vick is a mega rich football player and leads a very privileged life and thought the slaughter of animals was ok due to his wealth, power, etc. He clearly used his pit bulls as foder for his "hobbie." Get a life and live in the now!

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3:05 PM MST on Mon., Aug. 27, 2007 re: "Frantz: Stop excusing Vick’s behavior"

 Examiner Reader said:
The person who wrote "crackers" should be ashamed. This is a racist term and like all "racist" terms should be considered "wrong." It works all ways you know, shame on you!!!!!!!

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2:36 PM MST on Mon., Aug. 27, 2007 re: "Frantz: Stop excusing Vick’s behavior"

 Examiner Reader said:
And yet there is a glaring resemblance between a pimp who beats his "girls" and a dog-pimp who beats his dogs. Both should be strung up. Both should get exactly what they dish out.

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1:28 PM MST on Mon., Aug. 27, 2007 re: "Frantz: Stop excusing Vick’s behavior"

 Examiner Reader said:
A man hitting his wife is never a one time thing! A man who batters women should be punished more than a man who kills dogs.

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1:24 PM MST on Mon., Aug. 27, 2007 re: "Frantz: Stop excusing Vick’s behavior"

 Examiner Reader said:
The fact that Bob Frantz stated that killing dogs is worse than battering a women is ridiculous!!! I understand that killing dogs is a horrible crime, but so is the battery of your wife. I am disgusted with that reasoning.

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12:30 PM MST on Mon., Aug. 27, 2007 re: "Frantz: Stop excusing Vick’s behavior"

 Examiner Reader said:
if you want to be forgiven for slavery why not forgive Mr. Vick stop the hating crackers

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12:13 PM MST on Mon., Aug. 27, 2007 re: "Frantz: Stop excusing Vick’s behavior"

 Examiner Reader said:
Poor Vick and all those other sports figures. Life for them is never easy. Who can blame them for taking steroids or killing animals. Life must be pretty stressful particularly when you are making multiple millons of dollars per year. My heart breaks for all of them and their supporters must be just heartbroken over the thought that these poor guys are just innocent and misunderstood, sob!

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11:49 AM MST on Mon., Aug. 27, 2007 re: "Frantz: Stop excusing Vick’s behavior"

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"While striking any woman is terrible, it is usually a single crime committed in a moment of anger." That's not true. Frantz, just because you write for a newspaper, doesn't mean you get to make up "facts" (although maybe that is true for the Zam). Most people who abuse their spouses are repeat offenders who need serious counseling to change their behavior. The NFL has clearly shown that it does not care about such behavior. In any event, the point shouldn't be that Vick doesn't deserve to be suspended. It should be that there are other people who deserve to be suspended at least as much, if not more, than he does. Frantz, it's easy to attack others' positions when you turn them in to straw men. Good job. You write like the tabloid writer you are.

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10:54 AM MST on Mon., Aug. 27, 2007 re: "Frantz: Stop excusing Vick’s behavior"

 Examiner Reader said:
When a Bad Newz Kennel dog rolled over on its back and refused to fight it was hung, drowned, or burned alive. When the coward who ran the operation was faced with federal charges he rolled over and refused to fight despite having the best lawyers money could buy and unlimited financial resources to fight the charges. Vick is one pathetic joke of man.

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10:45 AM MST on Mon., Aug. 27, 2007 re: "Frantz: Stop excusing Vick’s behavior"

 Examiner Reader said:
Whew, the comments here are bizarre. This guy is accused of killing dogs, brutally! Clearly, Vick has little regard for a living thing. If he treats animals like this than how would he treat human beings. All the sports jocks will do anything to protect someone like this. I say ban him for life and put him in jail, so there! This guy, Vick, is a criminal and could be responsible for the multiple slayings of yes, animals, disgusting!

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7:05 AM MST on Mon., Aug. 27, 2007 re: "Frantz: Barry has put it all on — Barry"

 Examiner Reader said:
Everyone is so quick to point a finger, look at your own lives. I bet the same ones pointing the finger have some repenting of their own to do!

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7:02 AM MST on Mon., Aug. 27, 2007 re: "Frantz: Stop excusing Vick’s behavior"

 Examiner Reader said:
Michael Vick maybe wrong for what he did but he should not be indefintely suspended or have to pay back $22 million dollars. That is just ridiculous. There are killers who have killed human beings and had to pay less for their wrong doing.

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6:16 AM MST on Tue., Jul. 24, 2007 re: "Frantz: Barry has put it all on — Barry"

 Examiner Reader said:
How can we give credit to Barry Bonds for 753 home runs when there is the guilt of steroid use written all over his face? I do not think Hank Aaron had to use steroids to achieve his record of 755 home runs. Fact, I think he did drunk. Sincerely- Examiner Reader.

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11:10 PM MST on Mon., Jul. 23, 2007 re: "Frantz: Barry has put it all on — Barry"

 Examiner Reader said:
Have a little whine with that smelly piece of cheese you wrote. It is hacks like you that Bonds gets upset with and hacks like you that perpetuate the hatred throughout the country for him. Obviously, objective reporting is not within your abilities.

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7:18 PM MST on Mon., Jul. 23, 2007 re: "Frantz: Barry has put it all on — Barry"

 Examiner Reader said:
anyone looking to make a name can jump on Barry Bonds. how about it frantz

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5:59 PM MST on Mon., Jul. 23, 2007 re: "Frantz: Barry has put it all on — Barry"

 Examiner Reader said:
Why dont people just leave Barry Bonds alone...honestly. Have the players in Baseball are on steriods, I don't care what team you follow...someone on that team is or has been on "performance enhancers". Quit selectively targeting.

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4:04 PM MST on Mon., Jul. 23, 2007 re: "Frantz: Barry has put it all on — Barry"

 Examiner Reader said:
hey pete kivlin... i wonder why u are in such a hurry to see people in jail? and why dont u mention the ref going to jail?? hmmm u DID mention 3 black super stars. stop obsessing on ways to send rich black folks to jail.

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2:12 PM MST on Mon., Jul. 23, 2007 re: "Frantz: Barry has put it all on — Barry"

 AMMO said:
Come on now, every one has a flaw some where, some how. It's just that, we are not famous, there- for our flaw doesn't exhibit in any way. So, on that thought, we all need to clean up our flaw first then pick on any one else. Remember, what goes around will come around, just don't know when, and when that time comes, your situation will be wrose. Don't hate him just like you DO NOT hate yourself. Peace on earth!

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2:12 PM MST on Mon., Jul. 23, 2007 re: "Frantz: Barry has put it all on — Barry"

 AMMO said:
Come on now, every one has a flaw some where, some how. It's just that, we are not famous, there- for our flaw doesn't exhibit in any way. So, on that thought, we all need to clean up our flaw first then pick on any one else. Remember, what goes around will come around, just don't know when, and when that time comes, your situation will be wrose. Don't hate him just like you DO NOT hate yourself. Peace on earth!

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1:41 PM MST on Mon., Jul. 23, 2007 re: "Frantz: Barry has put it all on — Barry"

 Pete Kivlen said:
Great Article. Everything you say is true. Next stop for Barry and Vick is jail. With this NBA thing, Charles Barkley may be next.

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12:20 PM MST on Mon., Jul. 23, 2007 re: "Frantz: Barry has put it all on — Barry"

 Examiner Reader said:
oh boy. i am soooo tired of this. Mr. Franz, i'm sure you dont care that I won't read your articles. but I'll tell you anyway. I won't. In an era of rampant steroid use, why do you feel justified in attacking our home town super star? Every era has had its problems. Name calling shows a incredible lack of class. Barry might not be perfect, but he's ours.

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10:23 AM MST on Mon., Jul. 23, 2007 re: "Frantz: Barry has put it all on — Barry"

 Montira said:
Frantz is not a Barry fan, I gather. Sounds like he does have a personal agenda.

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10:21 AM MST on Mon., Jul. 23, 2007 re: "Frantz: Barry has put it all on — Barry"

 Montira said:
You probably make a valid point that most NBA players are black and refs are white. Yet, wouldn't your comment be more relevant if the article was about the NBA and not Barry Bonds?

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9:34 AM MST on Mon., Jul. 23, 2007 re: "Frantz: Barry has put it all on — Barry"

 Examiner Reader said:
nerdy stat geek you moron, most of the NBA is black and most of the officials are white, your stat is flawed.

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4:10 PM MST on Thu., Jul. 19, 2007 re: "Frantz: NFL going to the dogs"

 Examiner Reader said:
Vick is a shameless chickenhawk. i hope he is banned from the NFL, prosecuted under criminal law, and remembered for the kind of monster he truly is.

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6:55 AM MST on Mon., Jul. 2, 2007 re: "Frantz: WWE, steroids affecting more than wrestlers"

 Fred Ortiz said:
1.) The WWE doesn't encourage steriod use, the performers make their own choices as to what they do to their bodies in order to do their job. 2.) How come your article fails to mention that most of the wrestlers that died in the past few years all worked for Ted Turner's WCW? 3.) It is a proven fact that you don't need to be on anything to kill someone. How about next time their's a murder in this country, we say the killer was a steroids? 4.) What the heck does an out of date storyline have to do with the Benoit Tragedy? 5.) How come we don't see tabloid jounalists like yourself pointing towards steroids for Rod Beck's death?

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8:42 PM MST on Mon., Jun. 18, 2007 re: "Frantz: Dirk, T-Mac choked and boxing still exists"

 Examiner Reader said:
The columnist doesnt write the headlines, the editor does. The writer didnt say T-mac choked, only the headline did.

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8:39 PM MST on Mon., Jun. 18, 2007 re: "Frantz: Oakmont tough for spectators, too"

 Examiner Reader said:
I agree, the course conditions should highlight players shot-making abilities, not make players afraid to take shots. When the winner is 5 over par, somethings wrong.

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12:03 PM MST on Mon., May. 21, 2007 re: "Frantz: Jason the hypocrite was right"

 Examiner Reader said:
Steroid use is just one of many unethical behaviors practiced by Major League ballplayers. The baseball community looks the other way with everyday practices such as pitchers deliberately throwing at batters or doctoring the ball, outfielders trapping line drives, and catchers picking up dropped throws at the plate and "selling" the act to unaware umpires. Yes, I know ... it's just part of the game. Jason Giambi has is half right. Steroids don't make you hit the ball for base hits; they just make you hit it further.

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6:55 PM MST on Mon., May. 7, 2007 re: "Frantz: Dirk, T-Mac choked and boxing still exists"

 Examiner Reader said:
Regarding the rate vs. total distinction, one would think that a Sports guy like Frantz would know more about statistics. This just in: Bob doesn't know the difference between an odometer and a speedometer, yet still drives to work!

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2:16 PM MST on Mon., May. 7, 2007 re: "Frantz: Dirk, T-Mac choked and boxing still exists"

 Examiner Reader said:
Do you have an editor? Your comment on the foul study is ignorant bordering on criminal. Is it not your job to understand things like this? If I ever demonstrated such ignorance on a subject directly related to my job I would hope that my boss would fire me, I wonder why your boss hasn't done just that?

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11:42 AM MST on Mon., May. 7, 2007 re: "Frantz: Dirk, T-Mac choked and boxing still exists"

 Examiner Reader said:
T-Mac didn't choke you chode. 29 points and 13 assists isn't choking. If Steve Nash had those same numbers in a loss, you wouldn't be calling him a choker would you? Lay off the guy. Between his points and assists in game 7, he accounted for all but 9 of the Rocket's field goals. You can't ask him to do much more. Blame Yao for not being able to secure a rebound over Carlos Boozer, even though he's a good 8-9 inches taller. Blame the bench for being so inconsistent. But don't blame T-Mac when the guy laid it all out on the court, every game. Research, know your facts before you spew some trash like that.

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11:40 AM MST on Mon., May. 7, 2007 re: "Frantz: Dirk, T-Mac choked and boxing still exists"

 Nerdy Stat Geek said:
Frantz, you moron. The NBA officiating study shows that white refs call more fouls per-minute played on black players than on white players. It's not about total fouls called - of course, more are called on black players, who are the majority of players in the NBA. Please don't pull the "joking" card on this, either. Good humor points to the truth, it doesn't distort it.

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