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Commentary - Turkey has history of being 'insulted'

Oct 20, 2007 7:28 AM (445 days ago) by Donald Kirk, The Examiner
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SEOUL (Map, News) - Turkish sensitivities regarding affronts to the country's name, policies and history are legendary. Some years ago in Tokyo, the Turkish ambassador lodged a formal protest with the Japanese foreign ministry.

The protest was occasioned when a taxi driver, ordered to take him to the Turkish embassy, took him instead to a "Toruko" -- Japanese pronunciation "Turkish," synonymous in Japanese-English with Turkish bath, read massage parlor, read brothel. The protest was enough for Japanese authorities to get Turkish baths in Japan to call themselves "soaplands," pronounced "So-poo-lan-doh."

Now the Turkish government is infuriated by approval by the U.S. House of Representatives' foreign affairs committee of a bill denouncing the slaughter of Armenians 90 years ago as "genocide." Armenians put the death toll on the order of at least 1.5 million. Turkey says 300,000 died, most of them in battle or in freezing weather or of starvation and disease.

The Democrat-dominated committee, sending the bill for a vote by the full House, has embarrassed the U.S. government, which needs bases in Turkey to support operations in Iraq and Afghanistan and sees Turkey as a stable NATO ally.

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Without minimizing the atrocities that occurred, the question is what is an American legislative body doing passing judgment on a tragedy and a conflict that happened nearly a century ago that had nothing to do with the U.S? The claims by Democrats that they can't gloss over the horrors of the Armenian massacre represent the last word in political hypocrisy.

What's on their minds is that many if not most Armenians are orthodox Christians whereas the Turks are Muslims, and they see votes in righteously defending Christians while offending Muslims. Nor do House Democrats have any qualms about undermining the policies of the Bush government.

But if the House committee is so eager to immerse itself in an ancient conflict, why does it not show similar concern about North Korea? Congress three years ago passed the North Korean Human Rights Act over a great deal of opposition from critics who believed it would anger North Korea in the midst of the crisis over its nuclear weapons.

Since passage, however, the U.S. has done little to turn the act into an effective instrument for combating abuses Although options appear limited when it comes to getting North Korea to close down its gulag system or to stop torturing and executing prisoners, the U.S. could begin by assisting North Korean refugees and linking aid to the North to human rights conditions.

Nowadays U.S. policy calls for dropping references to "human rights" from all contacts with North Korea. U.S. negotiators fear the North Koreans would walk out of talks on nukes the moment they heard the words.

I f members of the House foreign affairs committee were brave enough to join in condemning Turkey for whatever happened 90 years ago, however, surely they should have the courage to go after North Korea for more than half a century of persecution in which millions have been suffered the same fates that befell the Armenians in Turkey.

It's unlikely however, the House committee will display such courage. Democrats prefer to berate the Bush administration for not moving swiftly enough to open "dialogue" with North Korea. Perhaps, a century hence Congress will look back on the suffering of North Koreans and pass another righteous resolution.

By that time, maybe so many Koreans will have fled to the U.S., escaping abuses in North Korea, that opportunistic politicos will salivate over the votes they'll get off a bold resolution spanking Kim Jong-il for his naughtiness.

Journalist Donald Kirk is author of two books and numerous articles on Korea .

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1:52 PM MST on Thu., Jan. 17, 2008 re: "GOP must reclaim its Reagan roots"

Examiner Reader said:
while your at banning stuff,mike.could you ban those women in church from wearing all that cheap tiolet water.sometimes its so bad that lighting a match in there would blow the roof clean off.tell them that taking a shower is o k in the eyes of jesus.

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1:44 PM MST on Thu., Jan. 17, 2008 re: "GOP must reclaim its Reagan roots"

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huckabee wants to ban smoking in the u s? i guess it would be like the "war on drugs". what would madison ave call this one,"war on coffin nails".wow!!! another blackmarket business to get into. america is truly a great country full of opporunity for those of a criminal ilk.lets go after booze next,mike.in fact i think the program was written back in the 20's or 30'so all you need is a "ciggie and cocktail czar".that ought to clear out wash d c . BUT!thats o k you could sell it to pat robbersome and make some pocket change.your my man huckel!!!

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8:30 AM MST on Tue., Jan. 15, 2008 re: "GOP must reclaim its Reagan roots"

Mr. Mirth Alert said:
Apparently, Mr. Shirley needs to be reminded that this religious right was wrapped very tightly around those Reagan roots, something a genuine libertarian-conservative like the late Barry Goldwater railed against. The sirens' song of fed. intervention that the religious right heard when G.W. Bush was elected is one written & rehearsed in the latter days of the Reagan tenure & practiced in secret while Clinton reigned. When conservative ideology subplanted conservative values, then did Reagan roots shrivel & croak.

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11:32 AM MST on Mon., Jan. 14, 2008 re: "GOP must reclaim its Reagan roots"

Examiner Reader said:
Brilliant and well said. I have been saying for years that the social conservatives have hijacked the Republican party and are driving the party off of a cliff intellectually and philosophically.

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9:55 PM MST on Sat., Dec. 8, 2007 re: "Teaching Sudan a lesson"

Examiner Reader said:
Well said. If anything, Mr. Kirchick is too polite in his assessment of Sudan. It is high time we resumed aboveground testing of nukes, and Khartoum would be an ideal location. Omar Bashir is nothing more than another copy of a Saddam Hussein or Manuel Noriega, save forthe fact that he is a representative of the great "religion of peace". Don't bother invading, just kill off the vermin.

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7:48 PM MST on Mon., Dec. 3, 2007 re: "Why is Disney bashing America?"

Examiner Reader said:
Perhaps this is why Disney decided to showcase Canada in their "Welcome to America" video; I guess they really do hate all of us and simply want our money. Shame on Disney.

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11:40 AM MST on Mon., Dec. 3, 2007 re: "Why is Disney bashing America?"

Examiner Reader said:
Follow the money for the real story. The Travel Industry Association desperately needs money and counts on some, if not all of the $200 million federal outlay to flow through its books. The Discover America staff is on Travel Industry Association payroll so the public isn't exactly getting an objective view from two different groups. Naturally the big attractions, hotel groups, etc. support the $200 million tourism promotion fund because it will directly help their business at taxpayer expense. When the Commerce Department opposes the plan, that tells you something. Follow the money. Look at little closer.

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5:39 AM MST on Sat., Dec. 1, 2007 re: "Teaching Sudan a lesson"

Examiner Reader said:
Teaching Sudan a lesson - Muslim intolerance in this case was mild, in Kosovo the Muslim burn alive and decapitate their victims - why then do our government alaways pander to the Muslims? Why the double standards?

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6:01 PM MST on Sun., Nov. 25, 2007 re: "Private profit disguised as public health"

Examiner Reader said:
"Non-profit" is a huge misnomer, as there is always someone who benefits (profits) from such activity. Profit itself is not bad - it's a necessary incentive to make sure people invest in activities that generate a return. Where it becomes a profit is when an activity or program is pushed as altruistic when there is clearly a party who stands significant financial gain.

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9:27 PM MST on Fri., Nov. 23, 2007 re: "Private profit disguised as public health"

BostonRay said:
Nothing new here. All these "non-profits" exist as "advocates" for whoever and get to pretend they don't. Until the IRS cracks down on this major fraud do not expect any change. It is a massive tax dodge as they are lobbyists (without being taxed). It's all profit to them.

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9:44 AM MST on Mon., Nov. 19, 2007 re: "With Sarkozy, conservatives discover new-found love of France"

Examiner Reader said:
Finally reconciliation and PBS and CBS and NPR Go ballistic.. its time once again to return to French food and wine ! Its time celebrate the friendship. Yes Vie Le France and Ms Sarkozy

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3:58 PM MST on Wed., Oct. 31, 2007 re: "What's not to like about Nicolas Sarkozy?"

Eric Land said:
In my opinion, the leftists (including those in the media) want to silence rightists' opinions in any way they could, including but not limited to digging out the rightists' personal lives rather than where the rightists stand on the issues. For example, The Examiner commentator Jay Ambrose mentioned an interview of rightist French President Nicolas Zarkozy by leftist media reporter Lesley Stahl (from leftist TV broadcaster CBS): "What's not to like about Nicolas Sarkozy?" wherein Lesley Stahl insisted on asking about Nicolas' relations with his wife. Moreover, those leftists have the gall or audacity to accuse the rightists of doing the dirty tricks that they (the leftists) themselves are guilty of doing. I think those leftists have perception (or cognitive) distortions that are needed to be treated by psychiatric experts on cognitive therapy.

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2:00 PM MST on Sat., Oct. 20, 2007 re: "Oprah's gaze turns to politics"

Vincent Onditi said:
We all know that you examine all that might prevent Hillary from clinching the DC party nomination, but attacking Oprah, this way, you have exposed how the demon of racism inside you is reacting to the reality that Barack is the next President of the United States of America. According to you, if Oprah, should support Hillary instead of Barack, she‘d just be fine, but now that, she is supporting Barack, she an opportunist. Michael Taube you say, you are a public affairs analyst, commentator and columnist in Canada, but me, I only see hate and demagogy in this article. This article exposes your lack of information and your lack of ideas that emphasises general problem skills. I’m sure Mrs Clinton would not want an idiot like you to be in her campaign staff. Senator Barack Obama is the next President of United States of America, “sad” isn’t it? Ha ha! Dr. Vincent Onditi is white, and a supporter of Ill. Senator for president, because America believes and supports the idea w

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1:15 PM MST on Sat., Oct. 20, 2007 re: "Turkey has history of being 'insulted'"

Examiner Reader said:
Kirk, first of all, the Armenian genocide by the fact of its denial is very much current. Second the USA was very much involved at the time and finally by not recognizing others does not mean the US should not recognize none! The where do we start? Many of the recent troubles of the US have their roots in the past. By ignoring the past the US is not doing a favor to itself neither to the world.

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11:30 AM MST on Sat., Oct. 20, 2007 re: "Turkey has history of being 'insulted'"

Examiner Reader said:
Kirk, You miss the whole point. We have cozy relations with the genocidal perpetrating turks. MY TAX DOLLARS GOES THERE. The price of that relationship with the turks is we have to rewrite history for them which you seem to not have a problem with. Your message is: as long as there is gain, we can overlook mass murder???? The Armenian genocide isn't disposable or arguable. It is a fact and the turks need to get used to being "insulted" if that is what the truth does. P.S. Tell me one george w. bush policy that isn't flawed?

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11:28 AM MST on Sat., Oct. 20, 2007 re: "Oprah's gaze turns to politics"

Dawn Deskins said:
Mike clearly doesn't have a problem with iconic celebrities endorsing or raising money for political candidates; he only has a problem with Black celebrities endorsing Black candidates! Where's the castigation of Hillary Clinton supporters and fund-raisers like Steven Spielberg, arguably the most successful and powerful director in the world or Rob Reiner or Quincy Jones or Magic Johnson...? What makes their endorsements and fund-raising any different than Oprah's? Only one: Oprah is a Black woman supporting the only Black candidate running. He makes a bill deal of Oprah exclusively interviewing Senator Obama, but he doesn't mention that Cathy Hughes, Black female owner of TV One (only one of two national telelvision networks) as well as the largest urban radio network in the world has endorsed Hillary Clinton and she will only be interviewing Hillary Clinton during the primary season--not Barack Obama or any of the other candidates.

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9:08 AM MST on Sat., Oct. 20, 2007 re: "Turkey has history of being 'insulted'"

Examiner Reader said:
The real problem is: Turkey lives in “civilized isolation” and it is exporting its saggresive denial policy US should have the courage to call a genocide by its name... Which message is US congress going to send to the world if US cedes to the turkish threats and blackmails ? what will ask Turkey next ? to "deport" kurds, inorder to get ride of tehm? Why should the "partnership" of US with Turkey be build on the foundation of denial a crime aginst all humanity, this is denial of Armenian Genocide? How lang can exist such a partnership because of American Values (freedoom, justic , moral )!? Promisses, promisses .. read more on this in internet G. BUSH in 2000 ... GEORGE W. BUSH RECOGNIZES ARMENIAN GENOCIDE Republican Candidate Calls on Americans to Remember and Acknowledge "Facts and Lessons" of the "Genocidal Campaign" against the Armenians ...

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8:39 PM MST on Thu., Aug. 23, 2007 re: "Giving Prince George's parents choice will fix the schools"

Arnold said:
As a parent of children in Prince George's County schools, I can see how the unfortunate reputation of the system might seem useful as a way to promote libertarian values. However the author needs to look deeper into what happens at schools in the targeted county to provide a full diagnosis and remedy. First, not all schools in the county system are troubled. County schools just received the US Department of Education's highest honor, the blue ribbon or NCLB's adequate yearly progress. Second, parents don't need a tax credit in order for their choices and involvement to make a difference. Parents in the system already have selective programs from which to choose. They also can choose to become more active in their own school and work with teachers to get the desired result. I know it works, because I've done it. Third, with choices comes the challenge for preferred programs to "scale-up" to meet demand. Tax-credits do not guarantee service. The answer is in shared leadersh

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3:00 PM MST on Fri., Aug. 10, 2007 re: "Big Business is LOST at sea"

Examiner Reader said:
Mr. Carney is totally ignorant of the provisions of the treaty or of the 1994 protocol which modified it in order to accommodate the concerns stated in President Reagan's Oceans Policy Statement of March, 1983. (So is Ms. Schlaffly, who makes repeated false statements about the TEXT of this treaty. Not interpretation, the TEXT!) Please inform me what article of the treaty proclaims the oceans and all their resources to be the "common heritage of mankind," whatever that means. The reference should be to the seaBED beyond national jurisdiction. That's why Russia is busily trying to claim large portions of the Arctic, and as non-parties to the treaty, we can't lodge our own claim or object to Russia's. The opponents to this treaty have been waging a disinformation campaign for years. Before that, they were telling us that water fluoridation was a communist plot. Having raised three kids to adulthood with no cavities, I'm in no mood to listen to them now.

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